See that's what I like about both Common and Mos Def. Most rappers, note I did say Most, not all. They only speak about what's going on in "their world". When was the last time ya'll heard Lil Jon spit a verse about the empowerment of black people? Mos Def and Common they speak on so many different levels. Yeah, they may talk about a club scene in a song or two. But then they also address some of the issues of the world. That's why I'm not too into rap. Or southern rap for that matter. I can't call the last time I just heard a rapper speak on some real ish about what's going on in the world. T.I. was justifying that we was selling weed in order to provide for his family. To me it seemed like he was trying to make it right, if that's why you're doing it. And he's sending the wrong message to these vulnerable young men out here. I could ramble on and on about rappers and why they're full of ish, but I won't.
Mos def is talkin that real grown **** black men calling themselves Sambo is crazy.And this cat lil jon is gonna sign paris hilton the same **** that calls black peoples nigge*s this **** gonna sign on to produce her record.Im tired of these **** **** **** in hip hop.
Its good Mos Def has his opinion. But I don't think art has to make sense to anyone else beside the artist. If Lil John and his crew wanna call themselves that then let them. And if he wants to produce Paris' album let him, its his prerogative.
BTW, when did Paris use the n word?
When was the last time ya'll heard Lil Jon spit a verse-- Nope, stop right there.
Really. Jon, Sam, and Bo each have like 1 verse per album and the rest is chanting and guests, right?
What, like you've never met anybody named Bo or Sam? Quit making fun of the dudes' names, Dante! :razz:
I love Mos Def, but why the hell is he taking shots at wounded animals. It's crunk music! Not dissing it, but since when has crunk music ever had intelligible sentences, let alone anything thought-provoking. For those of you who were still sleeping on Crunk until "Get Low" came out, realize that the East Side Boyz' first nationwide release showed them draped with the Confederate battle flag (Lil' Jon gave one of those "n!gger is degrading but n!gga is empowering" explanations, but whatever).
Doesn't that picture say a thousand more words than a dude being named "Lil' Bo"? Mos Def: next time, maybe go after someone who's actually respected lyrically (T.I., 50 Cent :-#) instead of stating the obvious. That's just how I see it.
As for all this Lyor/Iovine/Paris shyt, I'm still kinda in denial that the entire White race hates the entire Black race behind closed doors, but whatever. We make the money, we get to sit at the big people's table, but we still ain't callin the shots. Old news. Hopefully Paris & Lil' Jon will sound better than Britney & Ying Yang!
As for all this Lyor/Iovine/Paris shyt, I'm still kinda in denial that the entire White race hates the entire Black race behind closed doors, but whatever. We make the money, we get to sit at the big people's table, but we still ain't callin the shots. Old news.
Jimmy Iovine produced a song in like 1977 with these lyrics
Quote:
"Rock 'N' Roll ****"
Baby was a black sheep
Baby was a ****
Baby got big and baby get bigger
Baby get something
Baby get more
Baby, baby, baby was a rock-and-roll ****.
As for all this Lyor/Iovine/Paris shyt, I'm still kinda in denial that the entire White race hates the entire Black race behind closed doors, but whatever. We make the money, we get to sit at the big people's table, but we still ain't callin the shots. Old news.
Jimmy Iovine produced a song in like 1977 with these lyrics
Quote:
"Rock 'N' Roll ****"
Baby was a black sheep
Baby was a ****
Baby got big and baby get bigger
Baby get something
Baby get more
Baby, baby, baby was a rock-and-roll ****.
You've just opened up a whole new can of worms for me. The lyrics you posted didn't say much by themself, so I ended up doing a little (6 hrs) research. It's a lot of stuff and I'm not even gonna finish the research: I'm sure it was a waste of my time, since I feel like I'm one of the few who won't assume the worst intentions from all Whites and disregard any positive, but that's okay.
I was gonna say, "So, does 50 Cent still want to be Jimmy Iovine now?" :???: but since Iovine didn't write "Rock 'n' Roll ****", I don't quite see how that's relevant... This just in: It appears Benzino & friends dug the song up in yet another attempt to screw with Eminem & Interscope. :evil: Google is going to ruin my life.
Here's an excerpt from a review of The Patti Smith Group's 1977 album, Easter:
Jim DeRogatis wrote:
... Finally finding her place in the world after years as a troubled misfit, Smith chose the moment of high punk insanity to make her sanest, most focused album. As producer, she chose a slick music-business professional, Jimmy Iovine ... today, he is the controversial head of Interscope Records, specializing in carefully calculated outrages such as Marilyn Manson, Eminem, and Limp Bizkit.
While some of Smith's fans at the time would cry "sellout," many who discovered her work later on hold "Easter" second only to the debut, and some even prefer it...
Earmarked as the title track until Arista balked, "Rock 'n' Roll ****" is the centerpiece of the album, and the hardest that Smith has ever rocked, outdoing even the incendiary "Gloria" and "Free Money" from the first album. The lyrics are pure Patti: grandiose, overreaching, and a little silly (held up as heroes who lived "outside of society" are Jackson ****, Jimi Hendrix, and Smith's grandmother), but they are vivid and inspiring all the same. They are also, of course, extremely controversial for their use of the offensive racial epithet.
For Smith, the word "****" means anyone who refuses to conform to society's rigid rules, living instead by their own code of conduct. That reading of the word was inspired by Norman Mailer's famous Beat-era essay, "The White Negro," as well as by a T-shirt that the legendary rock critic Lester Bangs wore proclaiming himself "The Last of the White Niggers"...can of worms #4-7: a Beatnik or "Beat" was like a 1950s hippy-****. check out "The White Negro and the Negro White" by Gary T. Marx (1961), "[url=http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:3CBNYCT_RCkJ:www.flatblacknova.com/buszek/PoMoSeminar/PoMoReadings/BangsWhite.pdf]The White Noise Supremacists" by Lester Bangs (1979), and "Elvis Presley was a 'White Negro' First" by David Earl Jackson (1995) ...
Having grown up in largely African-American neighborhoods in Chicago and South Jersey, Smith thought she knew what she was saying, but some critics accused her of ignorance at best, and racism at worst. Writing in Rolling Stone, Dave Marsh, formerly a Smith booster, charged that, "Smith doesn't understand the word's connotation, which is not outlawry but a particularly vicious kind of subjugation and humiliation that's antithetical to her motive."
The debate over when if ever the word should be used--and if so, by whom--continues today, more than two decades later...
Patti Smith wrote:
Jimi Hendrix was a ****.
Jesus Christ and Grandma, too.
Jackson **** was a ****.
****, ****, ****, ****,
****, ****, ****.
Outside of society, they're waitin' for me.
Outside of society, if you're looking,
that's where you'll find me.
:-k Sadly, I find that I'd call Patty Smith's "n!gger" empowering before I'd call any 2005 rapper's "n!gga" empowering. I need to stop saying that word. It sounds stupid and wrong coming out of anybody's mouth!
I stick to what I said before about Mos Def going after easy targets. I just thought this was interesting reading which I oughta share. Everybody can ignore me and get back on-topic now.
What Mos Def is saying is true. But the silly names and nasty songs have been around for yeeeears. A lot of people don't realize this. Go get some of these old blues records from the 50's & 60's, even from today, and old R&B artists. They had songs probably worse than what's said today.
I respect Mos Def cause he says things that make you go "hmmm?" He just needs to make sure he doesn't find himself cooning, while also checking others.
Did yall hear that rap he and Talib did on the Chapelle Show about industry beef?
Really. Jon, Sam, and Bo each have like 1 verse per album and the rest is chanting and guests, right?
What, like you've never met anybody named Bo or Sam? Quit making fun of the dudes' names, Dante! :razz:
I love Mos Def, but why the hell is he taking shots at wounded animals. It's crunk music! Not dissing it, but since when has crunk music ever had intelligible sentences, let alone anything thought-provoking. For those of you who were still sleeping on Crunk until "Get Low" came out, realize that the East Side Boyz' first nationwide release showed them draped with the Confederate battle flag (Lil' Jon gave one of those "n!gger is degrading but n!gga is empowering" explanations, but whatever).
Doesn't that picture say a thousand more words than a dude being named "Lil' Bo"? Mos Def: next time, maybe go after someone who's actually respected lyrically (T.I., 50 Cent :-#) instead of stating the obvious. That's just how I see it.
As for all this Lyor/Iovine/Paris shyt, I'm still kinda in denial that the entire White race hates the entire Black race behind closed doors, but whatever. We make the money, we get to sit at the big people's table, but we still ain't callin the shots. Old news. Hopefully Paris & Lil' Jon will sound better than Britney & Ying Yang!
