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For All My Bush Supporters. . . Posted on 02-12-2005
LadyJag7

The following is the list of all the programs Bush plans to eliminate for 2006. After reading this I really can't see how anyone who isn't wealthy and has a brain could even think to continue to support Bush :roll: It's long but I highlighted some important ones that particulary affect us and our future families. Being from DC this is particularly important because I know a lot of our parents work for the government and as yall can see he wants to cut quite a few of the governent departments. TERMINATED: Agriculture Department AMS Biotechnology Program Forest Service Economic Action Program High Cost Energy Grants NRCS Watershed and Flood Prevention Operations Research and Extension Grant Earmarks and Low Priority Programs Commerce Department Advanced Technology Program Emergency Steel Guarantee Loan Program Public Telecommunications Facilities, Planning and Construction Program Education Department Comprehensive School Reform Educational Technology State Grants Even Start (High School Program Terminations Vocational Education State Grants Vocational Education National Activities Tech Prep State Grants Upward Bound Talent Search GEAR UP Smaller Learning Communities Perkins Loans: Capital Contributions and Loan Cancellations Regional Education Laboratories Safe and Drug Free Schools State Grants (Small Elementary and Secondary Education Programs Javits Gifted and Talented Education National Writing Project School Leadership Dropout Prevention Program Close Up Fellowships Ready to Teach Parental Information and Resource Centers Alcohol Abuse Reduction Foundations for Learning Mental Health Integration in Schools Community Technology Centers Exchanges with Historic Whaling and Trading Partners Foreign Language Assistance Excellence in Economic Education Arts in Education Women's Educational Equity Elementary and Secondary School Counseling Civic Education Star Schools (Smaller Higher Education Programs Higher Education Demos for Students w/Disabilities Underground Railroad Program Interest Subsidy Grants (Small Job Training and Adult Education Programs Occupational and Employment Information Tech-prep Demonstration Literacy Programs for Prisoners State Grants for Incarcerated Youth (Small Postsecondary Student Financial Assistance Programs LEAP Byrd Scholarships B.J. Stupak Olympic Scholarships Thurgood Marshall Legal Opportunity (Small Vocational Rehabilitation Programs Vocational Rehabilitation Recreational Programs Vocational Rehab (VR) Migrant and Seasonal Workers Projects with Industry Supported Employment Teacher Quality Enhancement Program Energy Department Hydropower Program Nuclear Energy Plant Optimization Nuclear Energy Research Initiative **** and Gas Programs Health and Human Services Department ACF Community Service Programs ACF Early Learning Opportunities Fund CDC Congressional Earmarks CDC Preventive Health and Health Services Block Grant CDC Youth Media Campaign Direct Service Worker Delivery Grants HRSA Emergency Medical Services for Children HRSA Health Facilities Construction Congressional Earmarks HRSA Healthy Community Access Program HRSA State Planning Grant Program HRSA Trauma Care HRSA Traumatic Brain Injury HRSA Universal Newborn Hearing Screening Real Choice Systems Change Grants Housing and Urban Development Department HOPE VI Interior Department BLM Jobs-in-the-Woods Program LWCF State Recreation Grants (NPS) National Park Service Statutory Aid Rural Fire Assistance (BLM, NPS, FWS, BIA) Justice Department Byrne Discretionary Grants Byrne Justice Assistance Grants COPS Hiring Grants COPS Interoperable Communications Technology Grants COPS Law Enforcement Technology Grants Juvenile Accountability Block Grants National Drug Intelligence Center Other State/Local Law Enforcement Assistance Program Terminations State Criminal Alien Assistance Program (SCAAP) Labor Department Migrant and Seasonal Farm Worker Training Program Reintegration of Youthful Offenders Transportation Department National Defense Tank Vessel Construction Program Railroad Rehabilitation Infrastructure Financing Loan Program Enviromental Protection Agency Unrequested Projects Water Quality Cooperative Agreements National Aeronautics and Space Administration Hubble Space Telescope Robotic Servicing Mission Other Agencies National Veterans Business Development Corporation Postal Service: Revenue Forgone Appropriation SBA: Microloan Program SBA: Small Business Investment Company (SBIC) Participating Securities Program
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LadyJag7 replied on 02-13-2005 03:31PM [Reply]
Right about now I'm not even talking about employment anymore lol. Nor people who might lose their jobs. Apparently that's what you don't understand. I'm talking about those people who actually use the programs listed above, such as those students who participate in Upward bound programs, prisoners who actually use the literacy program etc etc. If you suggest eliminating elementary and secondary counseling what is replacing it? You really are quick to think you know what I'm trying to say when apparently you don't know the half. And how is it misguided to say that Bush suggested eliminating these programs, when that's exactly what he did. What are you really trying to tell me that you think I don't understand :?: :?: :?: And by you mentioning Kerry, you're mentioning the past. Bush is in office so who cares about the demons behind Kerry? I know I don't.
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replied on 02-13-2005 04:00PM [Reply]
LadyJag7 wrote:
Right about now I'm not even talking about employment anymore lol. Nor people who might lose their jobs. Apparently that's what you don't understand. I'm talking about those people who actually use the programs listed above, such as those students who participate in Upward bound programs, prisoners who actually use the literacy program etc etc. If you suggest eliminating elementary and secondary counseling what is replacing it? You really are quick to think you know what I'm trying to say when apparently you don't know the half. And how is it misguided to say that Bush suggested eliminating these programs, when that's exactly what he did. What are you really trying to tell me that you think I don't understand :?: :?: :?: And by you mentioning Kerry, you're mentioning the past. Bush is in office so who cares about the demons behind Kerry? I know I don't.
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I'm talking about those people who actually use the programs listed above
You were so adamant about attacking Bush, you totally missed every single time I addressed that issue. What you don't understand, that I've said I don't know how many times....matter of fact...let me quote myself...
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List of Overlapping/Useless/Hindering projects
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As to them being useless, I can find a list of atleast 10-13 different organizations that soak up less money that do the same thing
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What happened was, people created programs which literally duplicated what either another gov't program can do or was doing
I don't see how you could possibly, brutally miss all three times I stated it. THESE PROGRAMS ARE MERE REPEATS OF OTHER PROGRAMS. CLONES. I'm not saying your all wrong and what not on all politics. I'm just saying this information has been totally twisted. And as I said before, these are NOT the administrations problems you should be addressing...because there are no problems with the actuality of this event. The problem is where the money will be going. You've seemed to miss that also.
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You really are quick to think you know what I'm trying to say when apparently you don't know the half.
I'm not quick to think. I read your post. I don't play around on speaking of politics. I know what's left, right and around the corner about politics.
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If you suggest eliminating elementary and secondary counseling what is replacing it?
National Counseling Center for K-12 Youth. All I had to do was google it. And it is quite bigger than the organization being eliminated and is being used in 32 different states (Texas, California and New York are the three biggest), although I have no idea how long it takes to implement such things (Which is what you should have said if you wanted me to spin circles around myself).
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What are you really trying to tell me that you think I don't understand
So you understand everything, yet you make all of those errors? Eh? You make lots of inconsistancies in your posts. I'm not attacking you personally, just stating that your knowledge of the politics game is that of the norm. You know one side of the story, unfortunately...one side ain't enough to convict. Before you ask a question meant to tie me up, make sure the answer isn't easy either. Now, since it is my turn to ask a question, I'm gonna ask a question. Why are you Anti-Bush? Thunder
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cafe-aulait replied on 02-13-2005 04:02PM [Reply]
LadyJag7 wrote:
Right about now I'm not even talking about employment anymore lol. Nor people who might lose their jobs. Apparently that's what you don't understand. I'm talking about those people who actually use the programs listed above, such as those students who participate in Upward bound programs, prisoners who actually use the literacy program etc etc. If you suggest eliminating elementary and secondary counseling what is replacing it? You really are quick to think you know what I'm trying to say when apparently you don't know the half. And how is it misguided to say that Bush suggested eliminating these programs, when that's exactly what he did. What are you really trying to tell me that you think I don't understand :?: :?: :?: And by you mentioning Kerry, you're mentioning the past. Bush is in office so who cares about the demons behind Kerry? I know I don't.
Personally my mother is a director of an upward bound program back home in Chicago. She has helped SO MANY kids who would have been in so much trouble if it wasn't for that program. NEED PROOF? Well this is one of the cities most of her kids come from and its stats http://www.city-data.com/city/Ford-Heights-Illinois.html. She helps 17 year old girls with two kids get into colleges WITH all types of scholarships. She puts young boys who used to slang in college rather than prison. Cutting Upward Bounds, and other programs like it, will deprive several youth around the country, in impoverished neighborhoods, the chance of receiving an education.....
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LadyJag7 replied on 02-13-2005 04:07PM [Reply]
Black people probably didn't vote for Bush Sr. again because they saw something better in Clinton. And since you yourself said Clinton ended up doing more for blacks than any other president in the past 30 yrs. I guess they made a wise decision. But what does that have to do with anything that's being discussed in this topic? And also I am for pulling the troops out of Iraq today, they're dying over there and getting mangled up for nothing. The country's money could be better spent on other things.
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LadyJag7 replied on 02-13-2005 04:23PM [Reply]
Why am I anti- Bush? Hmmm because I just don't like his **** lol. Simple as that. I honestly have not personally seen how the country has improved since he got in office, that's my issue. And also being that I am extremely anti-war, especially wars that are unnecessary, and Bush seems to be pro-war there I have another issue with Bush. And to be honest I'm not trying to be political at all which is what I think you don't see. Politics is way too shady for me. I'm saying point blank period that the elimination of many of these programs would cause some amount of damage. if you get rid of arts programs in schools what is really replacing programs like that? Schools don't have money to hire outside art teachers and instructers to come share their knowledge at the schools. If you get rid of Upward Bound where is the free replacement for it? This is what I'm saying. Just because there may be a substitute for a particular program that does not mean that they are better or as good as the programs which are in danger of being eliminated. That is simply what I'm saying. Nothing more, nothing less.
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cafe-aulait replied on 02-13-2005 04:48PM [Reply]
Italian Thunder wrote:
And to cafe-aulait. Upward Bound is merely a subsidy of TRIO. Basically put, different name...same face. She will be assigned as a director of one of the other 5 programs they have established. Thunder
Its NOT about my mother keeping her job! My mother is a well-educated, intelligent woman who probably won't have a hard time finding a job. She chooses to work with Upward Bound because of the people she helps. She could probably be making double/triple her salary elsewhere, but she chooses not to. Its about the students who rely on Upward Bound for support. What will happen to them? Yea maybe you are saying there are other programs, BUT a lot of the students in Upward Bound form relationships with their directors. The other TRIO programs are not for high school students. They are cutting (maybe they will leave a few of them, but the are still cutting several of them) all the TRIO programs from college campuses abroad.
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LadyJag7 replied on 02-13-2005 05:00PM [Reply]
You really think Bush remains in Iraq because he doesn't want the people to tear each other apart? Muahahahaaaa. Okay we'll leave that at that. Bush is concerned about people talking about him in the future because he made a damn mess of Iraq, that's why he's busy trying to see if he can fix it. And if Bush cared so much about keeping countries from tearing themselves apart he'd have more of an interest in several African countries, ie. the Congo, who are having similar problems. Oh yeah, can you explain how the Cold "War" relates to what's going on in Iraq. I'm not saying it doesn't, I just wanna get clarity on how it does. There are black people who voted for Bush. But more than likely those people who did vote for him 1.) voted for him because they felt he was firmer in his position than Kerry or 2.) because they agree with his conservative morals. And also this Bush is not the first Bush and Kerry was no Clinton so you really can't compair the two situations. And on the subject, why would someone lose their job in one position and simply get the same position in a similar program. Wouldn't there already be someone there? And also talk about why cancelling these programs is not important when you're the one who benefits from one or more of them. If you don't participate or benefit from these programs don't say that cancelling them does not matter. And also the money taken from terminating these programs will more than likely not go to a similar program. What would be the point in doing that?? The purpose of cutting them in the first place is to cut back on government spending as a whole. And to say my "Fear" is not legitimate is dumb; it's MY, personal pronoun, concern lol. You be concerned about what you want to be concerned about and I'll continue to be concerned with what I want.
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In Rod We Trust replied on 02-13-2005 05:17PM [Reply]
ooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh NAACP................. who had integrated WHITE FOLKS................... (and u don't know WHAT I am) and i THOUGHT u would have, just MAYBE thought i WAS NOT attacking you............. i was ACTUALLY paying u a compliment.............. as a poli sci major......... i NOTICE when ppl present valid arguments................. but ANYWHO............... it wasn't about my religious affiliation.................. I'm SEVENTEEN! I KNOW about struggle honey............. i can go for DAYS about struggle.................. but this is not what this is about............... u wanna know about struggle, and what i know about it then u can shout me a holla............. but PLEASE don't get all pissy at me................... i don't like that................ ESPECIALLY since u don't know me enough to make assumptions...........
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LadyJag7 wrote:
You really think Bush remains in Iraq because he doesn't want the people to tear each other apart? Muahahahaaaa. Okay we'll leave that at that. Bush is concerned about people talking about him in the future because he made a damn mess of Iraq, that's why he's busy trying to see if he can fix it. And if Bush cared so much about keeping countries from tearing themselves apart he'd have more of an interest in several African countries, ie. the Congo, who are having similar problems. Oh yeah, can you explain how the Cold "War" relates to what's going on in Iraq. I'm not saying it doesn't, I just wanna get clarity on how it does. There are black people who voted for Bush. But more than likely those people who did vote for him 1.) voted for him because they felt he was firmer in his position than Kerry or 2.) because they agree with his conservative morals. And also this Bush is not the first Bush and Kerry was no Clinton so you really can't compair the two situations. And on the subject, why would someone lose their job in one position and simply get the same position in a similar program. Wouldn't there already be someone there? And also talk about why cancelling these programs is not important when you're the one who benefits from one or more of them. If you don't participate or benefit from these programs don't say that cancelling them does not matter. And also the money taken from terminating these programs will more than likely not go to a similar program. What would be the point in doing that?? The purpose of cutting them in the first place is to cut back on government spending as a whole. And to say my "Fear" is not legitimate is dumb; it's MY, personal pronoun, concern lol. You be concerned about what you want to be concerned about and I'll continue to be concerned with what I want.
Your reading everything as though I'm coming from a conservative view. I'm not coming from any view. Your misreading everything and tying it into my beliefs or that of others. Do I believe Bush is in Iraq for the reason above? Hell no, he's in there for financial purposes. Still doesn't change the fact of what would happen if he left.
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And to say my "Fear" is not legitimate is dumb; it's MY, personal pronoun
Neither did I say it wasn't legitimate. I just said it was something I would argue against saying there are worse things that could happen from Bush's actions than your 'fear'.
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Oh yeah, can you explain how the Cold "War" relates to what's going on in Iraq
No problem. A weak, war-torn country (Afghanistan) is invaded by the USSR. The USSR damn near takes it over until the U.S. steps in like "FREE THE AFGHANIS". Be that we left Iraq and the ensuing civil war would leave it in shambles...I doubt there wouldn't be many countries (Even my beloved Italy :cry: ) that would hesistate in trying to seize it. Then you have a bunch of countries screaming "FREE THE PEOPLE" and fighting for the defending nation with the hopes of establishing a lucrative trade deal.
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And on the subject, why would someone lose their job in one position and simply get the same position in a similar program. Wouldn't there already be someone there?
Company Expansion.
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And also the money taken from terminating these programs will more than likely not go to a similar program.
I know, I already said that... Back to cafe. Your mother is a smart woman. Then she knows what she will most likely be doing after UB gets cut. Ask her about TRIO Dissemination Partnership Program, which for the most part, is why UB is being axed. I need to get out more. Thunder
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In Rod We Trust replied on 02-13-2005 05:47PM [Reply]
Brett, you're my shero!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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