I know alot of people believe in the biblical character Jesus, but how about this. I was reading a book the other day and the author began to talk about the origins of Judaism and Christianity. Here is a summary of what he said.
The story of Jesus is a mythical story based on esoteric symbolism of the Sun God. Hence Jesus is the "Son of God". The crown of thorns that he wore on the cross is symbolic of the rays of Sun, and is also seen on the Statue of Liberty (which is another symbolic figure). The cross itself comes from the Egyptian Ankh, which represents life and light, the Sun.
The trinity Jesus-God-Holy Spirit parallels many other mythical stories such as Horus-Osiris-**** (Egypt). Similarities between Horus and Jesus?
Jesus was the way, the truth and the life. Horus was the truth and the life.
Both the Good Shephard
Both were the lamb
Both are identified with a cross
Both were baptised at 30
Jesus was child of a virgin, Mary. Horus was the child of a virgin, ****.
The birth of both are marked by a star
Both were the child teacher in the temple
Jesus had 12 disciples. Horus had 12 followers
Jesus was the Morning Star. Horus was the Morning Star.
Jesus was the Christ. Horus was the Krst
Jesus was tempted on a mountain by Satan. Horus was tempted on a mountain by Set (Egyptian god of darkness, hence sun-Set)
Jesus was said to be judge of the ****. This was also said about ****, Krishna, Buddha, Ormuzd, Osiris, Aeacus and others.
Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the first and last. So was Krishna, Buddha, Lao-Kiun Bacchus, Zeus and others.
Jesus performed miracles like healing the sick, raising the ****. So did Krishna(Hindu), Buddha, Zoroaster, Bochia, Horus, Osiris, Serapis, Marduk, Bacchus, Hermes and others.
Jesus was born of royal blood. So was Buddha, Rama, Fo-hi, Horus, Hercules, Bacchus, Perseus and others.
Jesus was born to a virgin. So was Krishna, Buddha, Lao-kiun, Confusius, Horus, Ra, Zoroaster, Prometheus, Perseus, Apollo, Mercury, Baldur, Quetzalcoatl (Mexican not mayan though) and far more.
Jesus will be born again. So will Krishna, Vishnu, Buddha, Quetzalcoatl and others.
The story of Jesus was created/recycled and used as a tool to enslave people's minds through a dictatorial religion, Christianity. This religion is not unique in any way.
The twelve disciples are symbolism for the twelves solar bodies (yes there are twelve) and twelve astrological signs. 12 is all over the place.
During Easter, the summer solstice, the sun begins to stay out shorter and shorter until its shortest length of time in December. Jesus was born on December 25th. It takes the Sun three days to recover from the winter solstice from December 21st/22nd to December 25th. He dies in March on Easer. Hence Jesus died and rose on the third day. The same length of time it took the Babylon Son of God, Tammuz to rise again.
Also March is during the astrological sign of Aries, the Ram or... the lamb.
Jesus is associated with the fish because that is when he was supposed to have been born. During the entering of the astrological house of Pisces not the sign. Astrological houses last somewhere around 2000+ years. We are now entering the house of Aquarious.
The Christian religious day is... SUNday.
The author then speaks about who the true authors of the New Testament are. Let me assure you they are not Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, Paul or any of these Biblical characters.
As a matter of fact there is no documentation of anybody by these names ever to have been in these places at this time outside of the Bible. There is nobody named Pontius Pilate except in the Bible.
There is no written history of anybody named Moses, King David, King Solomon or most of the Biblical characters you read about except in the Bible. These are characters aer more symbolism that I could get into.
I have no problem with anybody's religious beliefs I just think it's necessary to do the research before you make that comittment.
So did Jesus really live? Or is he a biblical character that has been created and so hyped up that the whole world accepts him as LORD without looking at background information. Jesus was a duplicate, myth, and he has been used to control the populations to this day. Have you ever thought about where these religions came from? and why is Bush claiming to be a Christian? And why have so many wars been started in the past because of religion? And why was there centuries of Dark Ages when knowledge was suppressed because of religion? And why were so many people slaughtered at the inquisition because of RELIGION? It's because religion is a tool, a quite effective one at that.
Ok Mr. Reality, I understand your reasoning for questiong christianity, i understand your reasoning for questioning the bible, and i even understand that you decided to question all of this because you wanted answers...but this is the problem.... , no one, on this earth , has all of the answers about anything. Scientist dont have all of the answers about science, doctors dont have all the answers about medicine, and so on. There is no source that you can find that will give you all of the answers you want, but, when people are looking for a reason for something that science or doctors cannot provide, they turn to God. And not only Christians turn to God, so please tell me why it is only Christians you are being so critical of? If the story of Jesus is so similar to others, then why are you only questioning him? Im not a fool, and i know that the Bible has been tampered with over time, men wrote it, and men make mistakes. But honestly i know everything i need to know. Whats the harm in beleiving? Religion is something that i really dont like, just because i think it divides people. But i know that i do believe in Jesus, and im not wrong for it. If you dont want to believe, thats your choice, but i wouldnt recommend it.
I disagree completely with what you said. The answers ARE out there they just haven't been given to you. Our modern scientists don't know anything ancient civilizations were far more advanced than us. How did they build the pyramids. Nobody knows? Somebody knows because they were built. And have you heard about thousands of ancient libraries destroyed by Alexander the Great an other "great" leaders in history. Knowledge was suppressed.
Once again Christians are not the only ones I am being critical of. If you read the first post you will see that tons of religious figure heads have lots in common. I am not saying that Jesus never lived (which is possible) but the story that is being told of him has been doctored and is not authentic. The same goes with other religions they were created to divide like you said. Does anybody agree or disagree with this paragraph?
What do you know about the history of your religion? what has it done throughout the ages? If you don't want to open your eyes up that' cool too.
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But honestly i know everything i need to know. Whats the harm in beleiving?
No, you don't know everything you need to know. Wow!
^^^The temper. Why get so amp'ed?
Somebody told you that God does things in people's lives and you believe that. You are right!! God does do things in people's lives but alter your perception and look at it like this for a second. What if God's life was our life. What if each and everyone of our lives was another one of God's lives just with a different mind (mind is what compiles experience). Our different thought processes is the only thing that seperates us from each other. Not the physical body that dies and passes.
Also, I think what the poet was trying to say is that you're Christian because that is what you were raised as, which is exactly what you said. She wasn't trying to say that literally it's your mother who made you Christian.
Can someone please make a comment about the former paragraph. I am putting tons of ideas into this thread, and all I'm getting back is, "I'm gonna defend this till I die!!", and nobody comes back with any thoughts about what I've said. What's the deal??
Obviously, I'm not pagan. Obviously, I'm not athiest. Obviously, I'm not attacking or trying to offend anyone so there is no need for the defense. Can somebody please say... "I disagree with this idea because...." So that we can have a discussion instead of "attack", defense. "I'm not gonna argue with those that don't listen" My ears are open all your doing is saying that you are going to defend yourself forever. Once again you have to laugh a little.
How do you know what people have told her??? How come she cant go off her own experiences with God.I really dont get why that all you keep saying.People told you tihs or people told you that...I can easily say that about what youve learned.You dont have any hardcore facts the he doesnt exist so.What you and other people are saying can be offensive because we christians obviously care about our religion.If you wanna know about christianity just go to a church and ask,thats the best research you can do at this point.Am I telling you to join a church ??? no ,but dont just rely on what others in a book say.This is all a total waste because nothing new is being said only insults have been thrown out..
and to IHOTA :arrow: If Im in a cult so are you..Its called Iota Phi Theta Fraternity, Inc.
I know what people have told her because she claims to be Christian. You cannot convert yourself to Christianity. You have to have someone teach you. So someone taught her and she believed, the same thing probably goes for you. And probably since you were very young and couldn't decide for yourself. It was probably very important to bring you up in Christian church so that you would be firmly grounded in the Lord. Is this not what someone taught you? what was told to you? Now you are strong enough to have your own conviction in the same faith.
What I have done is completely different. I decided for myself that Christianity was faulty and incomplete. (The universe is Billions of years old our lives are like blinks in comparison, and based on how we lived during that blink we get condemned to eternity? Yeah, sure!)
So what I did was I read one book. Then I decided on another. And another, and another, and another, until I have a nice little library in my own crib. All of the books are religious texts, metaphysical studies, physics, and other stuff I won't go into, but I only have one novel. So I searched for myself and have never met anyone with my same ideas. I can hold a conversation for days on life, religion, or anything. Some of the older books I may not agree with anymore.
Why is it that people always want to debate wheteher or not Christian beliefs are based on fact or fiction, but no one ever starts a debate on whether any other religion is based on the facts? Maybe people are so intrigued by Christianity because it is so hard to refute it without being completely closed-minded or completely agnostic, many people try but no one has concrete proof, but ther is much proof that Jesus lived, as well as many other biblical charecters.. Perhaps it is because christianity is so intriging, theres just something about the name of Jesus, that people so often find it the topic of debate, but i have yet to be convinced. Anyone will be hard pressed to convince ny Christian who has truly experienced God to believe he doesn't exist, it's just to real, i think it is good to know what others believe about there religions as well as your own, but i think it's pointless to debate religion, it's too close to the heart of an individual.
Trust me I am not intrigued by Christianity. Christianity is just the dominant religion in this country so obviously we are gonna debate that. If I came to you with the same facts about Buddha you would be like "I knew that ni66a was fake" And if I came to you with the same facts about the Hindu Krishna yo would be like "I knew that ni66a was fake", and that would strengthen your beliefs in Christianity.
But when I come to you about Jesus you get defensive and reject it because that is who you believe.
I would say the more open minded people don't believe Christianity as we've displayed in this thread. That is the closed mins are the Christian mindset.
No proof that Jesus lived. No proof for the other biblical characters you're talking about except Herod. Pontius Pilate was fake too he's not in history.
You're mixing God with Jesus I do believe there is a creator force. Jeez let's go ahead and call him God! I do think that "God" exists just I think the way his energy works is a little different from how you think.
The way I see it, there's history, there's research, and there's facts. These things are all important. And then there is faith, which, to some, is even more important. I believe that Christianity is rooted more in the faith than in the facts. You can question the fact of Jesus' existance, but his legacy and his impact on Christians of many ages cannot be questioned, because they represent faith. You can question the Bible's levels of truth, facts, but you cannot question the extent to which people believe in it as a guide to life and salvation, faith. Some things are simply beyond facts and figures. Someone asked earlier why Christians believe what they believe. We believe it not simply because it is what we have been taught (which is sometimes the case), but because we have faith in our beliefs and what those beliefs mean to our lives. Now, if you choose not to believe, then that's your choice. However, just as it is rude and disrespectful for Christians to taunt, ridicule, and uselessly preach to uninterested nonbelievers, it is also disrespectful for nonbelievers to blatently attempt to discount the validity of someone's faith. We all have different beliefs. Lets learn to live with that fact.
History is not built on facts. It's written by the winners (think about that, the history you believe are facts could simply be a cover up to the real factual events)
Exactly Christianity IS rooted in the faith far more than it is in the facts.
Ok we cannot question his impact, true. But we can question the story that is told of him is basically what you're saying. Isn't that what I'm saying? I think we are in accord with each other.
If we can question the Bible's level of truth and we find out that it general is not. Doesn't that toss the beliefs in salvation out of the window as well? We don't agree on this.
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We believe it not simply because it is what we have been taught (which is sometimes the case), but because we have faith in our beliefs and what those beliefs mean to our lives
So you believe.... because you have faith in what you.... believe? And you believe because of what the belief means to your lives? That doesn't answer anything. You just did a circle that collapsed on itself. I can see that your beliefs aren't really built on anything (<---said with love).
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However, just as it is rude and disrespectful for Christians to taunt, ridicule, and uselessly preach to uninterested nonbelievers, it is also disrespectful for nonbelievers to blatently attempt to discount the validity of someone's faith.
Isn't this exactly what Jesus and his apostles did. Didn't they preach to non-believers. And weren't they (as the story goes) martyred for their ministry. And so you are saying Jesus and his 12 disciples were rude?
I think it's courteous and you wouldn't be doing your job as a Christian if you didn't preach to non-believers. So you only convert people that already believe? Well then the church won't grow will it?
Provakative this was not well said.
Look Reality, it's completely fine that you have developed your own religious ideas. When I originally read your message, I respected you for the fact that you have done your own research and searched for what you believe is the truth. But on the past few posts, all you have been doing is attacking other Christians who do not believe what you believe, and do not wish to go about their religion in the same manner as you have. To say that Christians are closed minded simply because of their beliefs is ignorant and disrespectful, and I , for one, take offense. You can believe what you want to believe because quite frankly, no one cares! But do not have the audacity to attack the beliefs of others simply because they do not fall in line with your views. I am a Christian, and I dislike other pushy Christians who try to force their religions on others. You are beginning to sound more and more like them. In a nutshell, you have your beliefs, and we have ours. We don't have to like yours and you don't have to like ours, but as civil, adult huan beings it would be nice for us to at least try to respect one another's beliefs.
Look Reality, it's completely fine that you have developed your own religious ideas. When I originally read your message, I respected you for the fact that you have done your own research and searched for what you believe is the truth. But on the past few posts, all you have been doing is attacking other Christians who do not believe what you believe, and do not wish to go about their religion in the same manner as you have. To say that Christians are closed minded simply because of their beliefs is ignorant and disrespectful, and I , for one, take offense. You can believe what you want to believe because quite frankly, no one cares! But do not have the audacity to attack the beliefs of others simply because they do not fall in line with your views. I am a Christian, and I dislike other pushy Christians who try to force their religions on others. You are beginning to sound more and more like them. In a nutshell, you have your beliefs, and we have ours. We don't have to like yours and you don't have to like ours, but as civil, adult huan beings it would be nice for us to at least try to respect one another's beliefs.
It's fine. Religion's always a touchy subject. Like I said, I commend you for searching for your own truths. I'd like to know some of the books you've read. I may not hold the same views as you but I do find these things quite interesting. I've wanted to read the Da Vinci Code but I can never seem to get around to it. I definately think the things that you are researching and reading about are worth knowing about, for historical value and simply for the additional knowledge.
What do you know about the history of your religion? what has it done throughout the ages? If you don't want to open your eyes up that' cool too.
what do u not understand about the fact that i do not like religion, meaning, that i don't claim any religion? I have faith, and i beleive, but just because i say i beleive you automatically assume that i am religious. Its because i know the history that i am not religious, my eyes are open quite wide, but what im seeing just makes me pull back from "religion" not from my faith.
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No, you don't know everything you need to know. Wow!
ok person, you completely took that out of context, but at the same time, what gives you the right to tell me what i need to know? That doesnt make you any better than religion. No, i dont know everything i need to know in life, i dont think anyone does. But, i do know all i need to keep my faith strong. And please, dont tell me what i need because you dont know me.
