I know alot of people believe in the biblical character Jesus, but how about this. I was reading a book the other day and the author began to talk about the origins of Judaism and Christianity. Here is a summary of what he said.
The story of Jesus is a mythical story based on esoteric symbolism of the Sun God. Hence Jesus is the "Son of God". The crown of thorns that he wore on the cross is symbolic of the rays of Sun, and is also seen on the Statue of Liberty (which is another symbolic figure). The cross itself comes from the Egyptian Ankh, which represents life and light, the Sun.
The trinity Jesus-God-Holy Spirit parallels many other mythical stories such as Horus-Osiris-**** (Egypt). Similarities between Horus and Jesus?
Jesus was the way, the truth and the life. Horus was the truth and the life.
Both the Good Shephard
Both were the lamb
Both are identified with a cross
Both were baptised at 30
Jesus was child of a virgin, Mary. Horus was the child of a virgin, ****.
The birth of both are marked by a star
Both were the child teacher in the temple
Jesus had 12 disciples. Horus had 12 followers
Jesus was the Morning Star. Horus was the Morning Star.
Jesus was the Christ. Horus was the Krst
Jesus was tempted on a mountain by Satan. Horus was tempted on a mountain by Set (Egyptian god of darkness, hence sun-Set)
Jesus was said to be judge of the ****. This was also said about ****, Krishna, Buddha, Ormuzd, Osiris, Aeacus and others.
Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the first and last. So was Krishna, Buddha, Lao-Kiun Bacchus, Zeus and others.
Jesus performed miracles like healing the sick, raising the ****. So did Krishna(Hindu), Buddha, Zoroaster, Bochia, Horus, Osiris, Serapis, Marduk, Bacchus, Hermes and others.
Jesus was born of royal blood. So was Buddha, Rama, Fo-hi, Horus, Hercules, Bacchus, Perseus and others.
Jesus was born to a virgin. So was Krishna, Buddha, Lao-kiun, Confusius, Horus, Ra, Zoroaster, Prometheus, Perseus, Apollo, Mercury, Baldur, Quetzalcoatl (Mexican not mayan though) and far more.
Jesus will be born again. So will Krishna, Vishnu, Buddha, Quetzalcoatl and others.
The story of Jesus was created/recycled and used as a tool to enslave people's minds through a dictatorial religion, Christianity. This religion is not unique in any way.
The twelve disciples are symbolism for the twelves solar bodies (yes there are twelve) and twelve astrological signs. 12 is all over the place.
During Easter, the summer solstice, the sun begins to stay out shorter and shorter until its shortest length of time in December. Jesus was born on December 25th. It takes the Sun three days to recover from the winter solstice from December 21st/22nd to December 25th. He dies in March on Easer. Hence Jesus died and rose on the third day. The same length of time it took the Babylon Son of God, Tammuz to rise again.
Also March is during the astrological sign of Aries, the Ram or... the lamb.
Jesus is associated with the fish because that is when he was supposed to have been born. During the entering of the astrological house of Pisces not the sign. Astrological houses last somewhere around 2000+ years. We are now entering the house of Aquarious.
The Christian religious day is... SUNday.
The author then speaks about who the true authors of the New Testament are. Let me assure you they are not Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, Paul or any of these Biblical characters.
As a matter of fact there is no documentation of anybody by these names ever to have been in these places at this time outside of the Bible. There is nobody named Pontius Pilate except in the Bible.
There is no written history of anybody named Moses, King David, King Solomon or most of the Biblical characters you read about except in the Bible. These are characters aer more symbolism that I could get into.
I have no problem with anybody's religious beliefs I just think it's necessary to do the research before you make that comittment.
So did Jesus really live? Or is he a biblical character that has been created and so hyped up that the whole world accepts him as LORD without looking at background information. Jesus was a duplicate, myth, and he has been used to control the populations to this day. Have you ever thought about where these religions came from? and why is Bush claiming to be a Christian? And why have so many wars been started in the past because of religion? And why was there centuries of Dark Ages when knowledge was suppressed because of religion? And why were so many people slaughtered at the inquisition because of RELIGION? It's because religion is a tool, a quite effective one at that.
What kinda slack? I'm just bringing information (light) to the table and looking to hear ideas. My boy Spectre is looking for answers as well apparently.
Can I get your opinion or perspective instead of a piece of slack?
So sorry that you came to tha boards so late...we've had this topic posted 50 million times and I understand that you have some information and you guys want questions answered them, but perhaps someone that aint tired of defending their faith could answer them...hope I don't come off as mean...
What kinda slack? I'm just bringing information (light) to the table and looking to hear ideas. My boy Spectre is looking for answers as well apparently.
Can I get your opinion or perspective instead of a piece of slack?
So sorry that you came to tha boards so late...we've had this topic posted 50 million times and I understand that you have some information and you guys want questions answered them, but perhaps someone that aint tired of defending their faith could answer them...hope I don't come off as mean...
I've been researchin and readin up on this stuff since the 7th grade. I was going to Africa with a CHURCH group and they opened our eyesto stuff like this. Maybe I'm just looking at this the wrong way, but hey that's they way I function. The way I see it you can read a research and discover and balh blah blah but bottom line you dont really know who did what when where and why unless you were really there. Not saying that none of this is true or anything just believe what you wanna believe cuz bottom line you dont really know unless you were there. And I think some people need to be more open to the idea that yeah, maybe this that or the other is true and my religion isnt perfect cuz nothing is perfect...but I digress. It makes me smile that I'm not the only "smart ****" (I'm a smart **** cuz I dont just accept what you have to say and I question everything? Fine) that looks into stuff like this and asks questions and.... :arrow:
I didn't know this had been discussed in the past. I still think that the information should strike a chord in everyone to strongly question there beliefs.
jacqueo85, the book I'm reading is called "The Biggest Secret" by David Icke (I'm reading like 5 books at once). He only dedicates a chapter (about 25 pages) to the Old and New Testaments. The rest of the 500 page book he exposes a massive agenda by covert organizations that have a hand in virtually everything to form a New World of enslavement.
All religions were created by them to serve as symbolism to their higher knowledge. Almost all wars were created by them. Basically we as a human race have been divided and the plan is to conquer us in the near future. And if you look at current events things are moving towards just that.
I'm also reading Angels and Demons by Dan Brown ya' boy from Da Vinci Code. I'm interested to hear what he said about the Illuminati in Da Vinci Code because I have done other research on this group (and their agendas).
Why would you believe anything in any books like that??? How do you know what was written isnt false????Because it makes sense, huh??? Well Christianity goes way beyond the knowledge of the human mind.
Why would you believe anything in any books like that??? How do you know what was written isnt false????Because it makes sense, huh??? Well Christianity goes way beyond the knowledge of the human mind.
Why would you believe anything in any books like that??? How do you know what was written isnt false????Because it makes sense, huh??? Well Christianity goes way beyond the knowledge of the human mind.
Not only that
Jesus of Nazereth is a establsihed as ANY Man in history.....
so if you choose not to believe ine Jesus then you might as well not believe in Aristotle, Caeser, or any other historicaly person.....
Simon Greenleaf...........
Look tha man up some time.....
One of the principle founders of the Harvard Law School, originally set out to disprove the biblical testimony concerning the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
And Basically he made himself look dumb in tha process........
Don't believe me???
Read HIS Books........
Here........
Click this Link for tha TRUTH........ http://www.myfortress.org/simongreenleaf.html
Better yet do a search on yahoo: http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Simon+Greenleaf&ei=UTF-8&fr=fp-tab-web-t&cop=mss&tab=
Still need proof of Jesus ACTUALLY Existing???
Try me
Why would you believe anything in any books like that??? How do you know what was written isnt false????Because it makes sense, huh??? Well Christianity goes way beyond the knowledge of the human mind.
Exactly
People say that the Bible is false, or its all made up. Maybe it is, maybe it isnt...but i choose to believe in God, and I choose to believe because I've SEEN what He has done for ME! Those who choose to believe obviously have a reason to do so...and to the original poster of this thread, I'm sorry if you do not yet have a reason to believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, but you can reap the benefits of being a Christian. Romans 10:13 says "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Just open your mind and your heart and call upon the name of the Lord and you will be saved. Its as easy as 1...2...3!
REALity wrote:
I have no problem with anybody's religious beliefs I just think it's necessary to do the research before you make that comittment.
I have all the research I need. Maybe you need to check the origins of this "book" that you read.
I was brought up in a Christian home all my life. At one point I decided to seek my own path because Christianity was not answering enough questions for me.
The author of this book documents all of his sources, and he uses plenty for each chapter. Also you have to look at where he is coming from. He's not trying to get anybody to follow him like sheep (which the church does) he's telling people they need to think for themselves. And he presents evidence where people have been trying control the ideas that get put into our minds (TV, religion, etc.). This is not the only book that gives evidence of a sinister hand in the origins of Christianity.
You and I have contrasting definitions of who or what god is. I do believe in what the Bible says is the Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit but it is the translation that I am at odds with. This is the interpretation that I have come up with for the trinity you speak of. Father = Mind, Son = Body, Holy Spirit = Soul. The mind, body and soul. Think about the parallels. Realise that your beliefs in Christianity is simply one interpretation of the Bible. There is knowledge behind the Bible but it is the stories and interpretations that people take as fact and ignore the meanings behind them that gets me.
Aggie, I don't care about believing in anybody, I could care less if Aristotle was a myth or real person but the ideas that he left behind are admirable. So all of a sudden Simon Greenleaf knows what he's talking about? How do you know Jesus Christ was resurrected. How come sooo many other religions claim that their god on earth was also resurrected?
Provakative, Christianity does not go beyond the human mind. The human mind is limitless. If you really study the Bible AND other religious texts you will find too many parallels to count. It is not a literal text. it is not limitless either.
The easiest way to keep a person's mind confined is to have them confine themself. You get presented with another idea and immediately you trash it because it doesn't fit your belief system.
I'm not saying I believe everything I read because I have a lot of books where the author thinks he's dropping knowledge and it just doesn't work for me. The person who thinks they have all the answers... obviously doesn't have all the answers. I know I don't know anything at all. That's why I'm still looking.
