Marcus Garvey was a smart but stubborn man.... in the late 1800's and early 1900's...Mr. Garvey stood tall, strong, and poised against movements of Booker T. Washington, WEB DuBois, an others....
Mr. Garvey felt that people of African descent should follow his trans-African movement .....so we as an African People can live at peace away from racism and in our natural land of Africa...
With Mr. Garvey's theory....he recieved many threats and bad-talk because of his thought of Africa.....
However...Mr. Garvey felt this movement would help escape racism that deprive our everyday lives as African Americans and minorities in society...
With this being said.. Booker T. Washington felt we should learn trade and earn the white man's respect...while Dubois believed in liberal arts education and the talented 10 percent of black folks...with these theories...
Some of Booker T. Washington and DuBois theory has been inforced more than Garvey..in fact Garvey could be considered a laughing stock then...
Now close to a 100 years later....I ask the question...would we have been better if we would have followed Marcus Garvey plan of returning to Africa...
With all the racism....
All the trails of HBCU's recieving poor education...
All the baby mama drama with black women
All the drama of blacks dominating the jail system...
Were our ancestors logical?? We took DuBois and Washington's advice..
we have grown..but we are still opressed....this can be seen in our everyday lives and in a government that laughs and turn it's back on black folks....
With all this being said...should we have listened to Garvey and went to Africa???
Do you all think we would be better off if we listened to him???
Please give your opinion...I will say mines later..
Should we have went, sheit we will never know. Things could have been worse, or perhaps better. For real WE WILL NEVER KNOW. It could have been better as in perhaps we could have brung Africa up, because as we all know blacks in America around Marcus Garvey's era was doing big, big things. Like inventions, literature, etc. But who knows, most of us could have **** right now, and most black people could be on their way to death and not many blacks may be around in the next 200 years. That could be a down fall. But as I said, we will never know
I remember talking about this with my teacher in 11th grade, which is when I first learned about Garvey. He told us that either the **** or just the racist white population in general supported Garvey a lot, because they wanted us to be sent back. I hear that Liberia is one of the poorest countries in the world now. So I don't know if it would have been a good idea for us to all go there...we have made A LOT of progress in America, even with all the problems that we face.
AFRIKAN AMERIKKKANS REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THEIR VOTE NEVER COUNTED, LET ALONE THAT THEY ARE "TRUE" CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERIKKKA!! HELL, YOU TRY AND TELL "NEGROES" THAT THEY ARE JUST 14TH AMENDMENT SLAVES (TO THIS DAY), THEY WILL LAUGH, UNTIL YOU PROVE TO THEM THAT THEY ARE STILL PROPERTY OF THE U.S.A. INC. WITH A FEW "PRIVILEDGES" GIVEN TO THEM VIA THAT AMENDMENT, THEY TEND TO SHUT UP!!
MALCOLM X KNEW ABOUT THIS FICTICIOUS GOV. TO WHERE HE BRAVELY STATED THAT HE WAS NEITHER DEMONCRAT NOR RETHUGLICAN, "I AM AN AFRIKAN"!!
WAKE UP SLEEPING NEGROES, THIS SYSTEM WILL NEVER HAVE YOUR BEST INTEREST AT HEART, EVER!!!
REST IN PEACE TO ALL OF OUR FALLEN BLACK HEROES AND SHE-ROES. I DEFINETELY WON'T BE CELEBRATING "THEIR" INDEPENDANCE ON THE 4TH!! PEACE!!
AFRIKAN AMERIKKKANS REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THEIR VOTE NEVER COUNTED, LET ALONE THAT THEY ARE "TRUE" CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERIKKKA!! HELL, YOU TRY AND TELL "NEGROES" THAT THEY ARE JUST 14TH AMENDMENT SLAVES (TO THIS DAY), THEY WILL LAUGH, UNTIL YOU PROVE TO THEM THAT THEY ARE STILL PROPERTY OF THE U.S.A. INC. WITH A FEW "PRIVILEDGES" GIVEN TO THEM VIA THAT AMENDMENT, THEY TEND TO SHUT UP!!
MALCOLM X KNEW ABOUT THIS FICTICIOUS GOV. TO WHERE HE BRAVELY STATED THAT HE WAS NEITHER DEMONCRAT NOR RETHUGLICAN, "I AM AN AFRIKAN"!!
WAKE UP SLEEPING NEGROES, THIS SYSTEM WILL NEVER HAVE YOUR BEST INTEREST AT HEART, EVER!!!
REST IN PEACE TO ALL OF OUR FALLEN BLACK HEROES AND SHE-ROES. I DEFINETELY WON'T BE CELEBRATING "THEIR" INDEPENDANCE ON THE 4TH!! PEACE!!
Yet this fool has great Mastery of the "White Man's" english. Now if he re-post this in Ibo, then I'll be surprised.
i say we should go america hasn't done anything for us except **** us of our culture. we have people that won't go outside because they don't want to get dark becasue they think they'll be ****. you have people who think all Africa is a barren desert with **** infested people when that's only a small amount. America isn't the place for us no matter how far we've come to getting along with the white race we're not getting along with ourselves. we have so much black on black crime it's ridiculous. and every little thing somebody outside of our race says is considered offensive even within our race. We have to build our race in order to survive all of this killing isn't doing anything except endangering our race. we need to go to the homeland and learn of our ancestors, we need to learn our culture everything is Americanized over here, we have no power, the ones who do forgot where they came from; not all but many. i say we might as well have tried this way doesn't seem to be helping any.
we have so much black on black crime it's ridiculous. ........we need to go to the homeland and learn of our ancestors, we need to learn our culture everything is Americanized over here, we have no power, the ones who do forgot where they came from; .
1. You think Africans don't **** each other? You think that if we go to Africa, we'll all join hands and sing Kumbaya and all the native Afrricans will welcome us, their long-lost cousins, back home with celebrations and open-arms?
2. Learn our ancestors????? How many of us can tell which country our ancestors came from?
i say we should go america hasn't done anything for us except **** us of our culture. we have people that won't go outside because they don't want to get dark becasue they think they'll be ****. you have people who think all Africa is a barren desert with **** infested people when that's only a small amount. America isn't the place for us no matter how far we've come to getting along with the white race we're not getting along with ourselves. we have so much black on black crime it's ridiculous. and every little thing somebody outside of our race says is considered offensive even within our race. We have to build our race in order to survive all of this killing isn't doing anything except endangering our race. we need to go to the homeland and learn of our ancestors, we need to learn our culture everything is Americanized over here, we have no power, the ones who do forgot where they came from; not all but many. i say we might as well have tried this way doesn't seem to be helping any.
I agree with a lot of what you are saying, however I do not believe that at this time it would be best to have a mass emigration back to Africa. It just isn't feasible at the moment. I hate to sound like everyone else but we have a lot of opportunities over here it is really just a matter of us capitalizing on them. However, I do agree that every African American should go to African at least once in their lives to help them truly discover their roots and see what they came from.
@Pimptight.
1) Of course native Africans **** themselves. They have been colonized the same way we have and in many ways suffer from the same hatred. I think she was trying to point that a lot of current status today can be attributed to slavery, reconstruction, Jim Crow, segregation, and the present.
2) True most of us cannot tell what country we came from but that does not mean we can trace our ancestry and learn as much as possible about where we came from.
"A people without knowledge of the past is like a tree without roots." --Marcus Garvey
@Pimptight.
1) Of course native Africans **** themselves. They have been colonized the same way we have and in many ways suffer from the same hatred. I think she was trying to point that a lot of current status today can be attributed to slavery, reconstruction, Jim Crow, segregation, and the present.
Nah...alot of this dumb Sh*t can be blamed on Black folx actin' like Niggers. You can't blame slavery for yo boy gettin' shot and robbed for his car. Jim Crow didn't make Wug fight with that cat in the club and have to go to court. There are some things you can't blame on the white man, you gotta suck it up and accept responsibility for stupid actions.
I have to disagree. Believe me I am not blaming the white man or any other man our ignorant actions today. What I am saying is that if you study the past (IE slavery, Jim crow, etc..) you will most definitely see where we get the mentality we have today. Most of our problems can be traced back to then. Think about it. Our current black on black crime and light skin vs. dark skin complex can all be traced back to how we were taught to hate ourselves during slavery. Our lack of enthusiasm towards education can be traced to not being able to receive an education at all for more than half of our time in this country. These things were instilled in us long ago and have sadly been passed down from generation to generation.
Now don't get me wrong I am not saying cry about this or let it stop you, simple recognize it is there and why it is there and go about what you can do to correct it.
@Pimptight.
1) Of course native Africans **** themselves. They have been colonized the same way we have and in many ways suffer from the same hatred. I think she was trying to point that a lot of current status today can be attributed to slavery, reconstruction, Jim Crow, segregation, and the present.
Nah...alot of this dumb Sh*t can be blamed on Black folx actin' like Niggers. You can't blame slavery for yo boy gettin' shot and robbed for his car. Jim Crow didn't make Wug fight with that cat in the club and have to go to court. There are some things you can't blame on the white man, you gotta suck it up and accept responsibility for stupid actions.
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2) True most of us cannot tell what country we came from but that does not mean we can trace our ancestry and learn as much as possible about where we came from.
But the majority of folx in this post that have been sayin' go back to Africa weren't talkin' about for Geneology purposes, they were on some, "Pack up yo Sh*t and LET'S GO!!!!" type movement. I'm all down for learnin' about your past, but folx have this romantic idea that life will be perfect and serene if we go to Africa.
I'm not saying that it's going to be perfect i'm just saying that we could at least try. I know that it's only going to get worse from here so why not try? I from Zimbabwe and i don't have a clue what they do there so I would like to go over there. And true it's not only white people bringing us down it's also ourselves that's why i said we need to get together on this. And the people in Africa have the same problems with white people we do. all you here about is south africa well a decade ago south africa still had apartheid.
@Pimptight.
1) Of course native Africans **** themselves. They have been colonized the same way we have and in many ways suffer from the same hatred. I think she was trying to point that a lot of current status today can be attributed to slavery, reconstruction, Jim Crow, segregation, and the present.
Nah...alot of this dumb Sh*t can be blamed on Black folx actin' like Niggers. You can't blame slavery for yo boy gettin' shot and robbed for his car. Jim Crow didn't make Wug fight with that cat in the club and have to go to court. There are some things you can't blame on the white man, you gotta suck it up and accept responsibility for stupid actions.
I have to disagree. Believe me I am not blaming the white man or any other man our ignorant actions today. What I am saying is that if you study the past (IE slavery, Jim crow, etc..) you will most definitely see where we get the mentality we have today. Most of our problems can be traced back to then. Think about it. Our current black on black crime and light skin vs. dark skin complex can all be traced back to how we were taught to hate ourselves during slavery. Our lack of enthusiasm towards education can be traced to not being able to receive an education at all for more than half of our time in this country. These things were instilled in us long ago and have sadly been passed down from generation to generation.
Now don't get me wrong I am not saying cry about this or let it stop you, simple recognize it is there and why it is there and go about what you can do to correct it.
