Blacks and Hispanics

29 replies · 11174 views · Started by blkfiyahncarolina · Oct 2004

How do black people feel about hispanics. I mean they have came over they werent enslaved to come but they voluntarily came over. They are more of the majority than we are. They come over here and they steal our culture just as much as the white people. They on welfare just as much as we are and they get really just as much respect. And now a days they will get a job before alot of middle class or some consider below middle class black folk. I mean teenagers cant get a job cause a crew full of mexicans got em all. I am not racist. But hispanics according to the Census report are a greater population than us. I am not saying lets go make a bunch of babies to gain status but what can we do. and The thing is there women are even respected more than our black women. Maybe I am hating a little bit but...What do yall think? Worse to me is they think cause they in the ghetto with us, they can say ****? But dat aint so, and we not to let them know that is a word that they dont have the privilege to say no more than a white man.

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YoungPhenom4TheFuture · Jan 2007

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theresa wrote:
Dear Highly: Sensitive Poster, YP4TF> And you've never seen African American men retaliate with just as much hate and ignorance? No, I have never seen grown Black men jump on Hispanic children OR any Children not unless it's their own. Well OPEN YOUR EYES because it's a reality. YP4TF> Unfortunately racial/gang **** is a reality of today, and we have to face it in ALL of its aspects. I agree with you at the many gangs, like the New York City Police Department The police department which includes members of ALL races including BLACK, LATINO, WHITE, CHINESE ECT. YP4TF> You're talking about one specific event that unfortunately happened to you, and you talking as if you know what, your talking about, however your wrong nothing of the sort has happened to me. Grabs YP4TF back to Public School, Woah, you don't have to grab me back anywhere. Trust me, this is my life, and I walk through those halls everyday. The Super Special Ed Class for YP4TF AIM for YP4TF to learn: the key word is WITNESS. Been there, done that, not what's the next agenda for today miss theresa? I WITNESS these attacks on numerous occasions in Black Communities during my younger years as well as now. YP4TF,You don't have to make up things against me, that never happened to me because you don't know me. No, you're right, I don't know you and I don't know what you've witnessed in your life. However I can say that those events, however traumatic have caused you to generalize thousands of people By the way Hispanic's think IM Hispanic, that's the very reason why I was never attacked as my dark skin friends were, get it? Maybe you weren't "attacked" because you got lucky, or maybe because the circumstances didn't call for it. Why does it have to be because you "look" like a latino, that you didn't get beat up? YP4TF> but honestly you can't judge an entire race based on that. I will re-track my words, I should have said the Majority of Hispanics, Like 99.9% of Hispanics hate Black People here in NYC. Well I can tell you that's DEFINITELY not true. And anyways, who are you to determine who a hispanic hates? My BEST friend is puerto rican, and my ex was dominican. I get along perfectly fine with latinos because I respect their culture, as they do mine. It does always have to be about beefing. YP4TF> That is what is fueling your hate, or "dislike" for them, Show me every single hateful or dislike thing I said about Hispanics? YP4TF> and is making keeping you narrowminded to a lot of things. IM very opened minded person, even if I don't like a person I respect them just as long as they respect me. Show me What seems to be the narrow-minded thing I posted about Hispanics? It's not neccesarily what you say, but what your words lend to. Although you might not have said "I hate hispanics", through your diction and opinion towards Latinos, you've given me the impression that the above statement just might be true. YP4TF>However two wrongs don't make a right. Two wrongs don't make it right, but it makes us even! And still, that makes you NO BETTER than "they" are. And congratulations, as a race, we are now back at square one. YP4TF>You're just as bad as they are when you start propagating negativity like that. Yeah I agree IM just as bad as they are, however I never went to PR OR DR OR CUBA and called them SPICS. Or held a Conversation about **** this or **** that in every single sentence. Many of them came to this country for a better life. Now if America was in a time of strife, and oppresion, would you not want to leave those conditions for better ones? Only an insensible person wouldn't. IM looking at the bigger picture now YP4TF, I now see it, My Family been in America for 500 yrs and built this Country and Hispanics who are newly arrived to America freely get too use the word N*gger and attack Black People and Children. Okay I see where your coming from YP4TF you make plenty CENT. I guess your right I really am the 1 that's propagating negativity! No, what you're doing is NOT trying to stop this bloody and ignorent cycle. So if you're not spreading POSITIVITY, i guess you must be propagating NEGATIVITY. And you know what, that's YOUR BAD! hey while your at it why don't you just blame me for starting racism too! YP4TF>How are you generalizing ALL black men in New York? Are you serious? Please tell me you are not serious. I will re-track my words, I should have said the Majority of Black men, because their are a few Good Brothers that do stand up, Just not enough. The Majority of Black men here in NY accept Hispanics calling them out their name. I see young Hispanic's greeting older Black Men in what up my n*gger/n*gga. Black men don't say nothing they just take it like a big ole sissies. I know that the majority of Black Men can rep better then what they are doing here in NYC. But the reality is that the majority aren't. Sad but this is what is happening in NEW YORK.

I actually didn't begin my post defending Hispanics using the *****/****** word or anything like that but I felt that I had to in this extreme case. My question to you is why is your concern only focused on New York? Is it because you live in NY and that is only what you know? Holla at me.

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theresa · Jan 2007

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YP4TF> Well OPEN YOUR EYES because it's a reality I repeat I have never witness any Black men attack Latino or Black Children Children the way that grown hispanics men attacked Black Children. We both have a different reality. YP4TF> The police department which includes members of ALL races including BLACK, LATINO, WHITE, CHINESE ECT. I agree its all races in the NYPD, however the White man rules the Police Department and all the races that work for the police department. YP4TF> Maybe you weren't "attacked" because you got lucky, or maybe because the circumstances didn't call for it. Why does it have to be because you "look" like a latino, that you didn't get beat up? Speaking as a African American its still COULD HAVE me or you. YP4TF> And anyways, who are you to determine who a hispanic hates? and who are you to determine who Hispanics love? YP4TF> My BEST friend is puerto rican, and my ex was dominican. Why do you feel so compelled to repeat yourself about your Hispanics friends. I never said you can't have Hispanic friends, Or is that another one of your impressions of what I think? YP4TF> I get along perfectly fine with latinos because I respect their culture, as they do mine. I CAN get along perfectly fine to with Latino's too, However most don't have any respect for Black People or our struggles. YP4TF> It's not neccesarily what you say, but what your words lend to. Although you might not have said "I hate hispanics", through your diction and opinion towards Latinos, you've given me the impression that the above statement just might be true. The NYPD Officers that fired 50 shots and murdered Sean Bell was also under the impression that Sean Bell was going to and his friends was going to get gun or had a gun. AP4TF ur impression is simply your view and not the view of everyone elses or mines. YP4TF> that makes you NO BETTER than "they" are. UR point is let Hispanics use the N-word and that Im no better for calling hispanics SPICS when I hear them use the N-Word in my presents. In short ur telling me to turn the other cheek. YP4TF> And congratulations, as a race, we are now back at square one Hahaha now how on earth are we as a race back at square one, all because of me calling hispanics SPICS. HaHaHa so I ruined the entire Black race. You funny YP4TF. YP4TF> Many of them came to this country for a better life.Now if America was in a time of strife, and oppresion, would you not want to leave those conditions for better ones? Only an insensible person wouldn't. Hispanics just as all other immigrants that come to America are only in the US off African Americans blood sweat and tears. Let's not forget that African Americans built this Country and that America is only rich because of slavery. So their fore all Hispanics should at least have enough respect to at least keep the N-word out their mouths. I don't know about you but my African Americans Ancestors predates at least 200 yrs before Hispanic immigrants started coming to this Country. Several Of my Ancestor's fort in the civil war, my Great Great Grandmother she didn't have no name, until my Great Great Grandfather gave her a name she never spoke a word all she knew was **** work. My Grandmother sewed American Flags for America. I have history here. America is my home, and I expect and demand that those who newly arrived immigrants that migrate to my Country for a better life to respect those before them. Just because you see non-white people working good government or city jobs doesn't mean that their job is not related to the oppression of their own people. Auction of the past are now today's Courts the Judge is the auctioneer the DA is the bidder and the lawyers are the bankers. Nothing has really changed in the America as far a the white mans behavior goes against African Americans. Yes Black People came a long way, and yes Black People now have the right to vote, but it doesn't mean they have to count Black Peoples votes. I can go on and on on this subject. This is a very oppressive Country, just they renamed everything and to blind Black People by highering Black faces and non-whites in their dirty deeds. However when others come to this Country they are permitted to work for The American Dream where as Many African American born are left with poor education and most of the time left behind, faced with many other issues that immigrant's will never have to face. Only because we are Black People. However Iam NOT a advocate for immigration because its taking from the mouths of African Americans who are already here. In NY many once Black Neighborhood's are now being replaced with immigrants. Many non-working hispanics families have housing where as many African American Families are living in homeless shelters. The US Gov are looking out for Hispanics more so then African Americans the US Gov gives them welfare and ssi whatever they apply for. I worked my **** off for many years and paid my taxes. When I took ill and I had to go to public assistance for NOT money or food stamps but for just Medicaid. I was turned down, because they said I had too much money in the bank which is my nest egg. However I saw many Hispanics, Chinese and Russians sitting in the welfare Office, and the worst of it, most of them didn't speak the English language, but they are in America having many babies. Immigrants shouldn't be allowed in America if they don't have no skills or anything productive to bring to America and most of all if they don't speak English, I don't care if they are hungry or not, and yes, I dont care to much about immigrates coming and kicking back off my tax dollars. By the way, Why do you feel the need to be so concerned with the hispanics well being? When so African Americans are being pushed into a corner? YP4TF are you even on your own side. I doubt it very much if your hispanics friend's are out on a limb for you, as you are for them.

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theresa · Jan 2007

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sorry to everyone about the over sized text im trying to make it smaller YP4TF> I actually didn't begin my post defending Hispanics using the *****/****** word or anything like that but I felt that I had to in this extreme case. My question to you is why is your concern only focused on New York? Is it because you live in NY and that is only what you know? Holla at me. Why did you feel that this was such a extreme case that you just had to defend hispanics in the first place? Yes Iam speaking from what I see in New York. Im also aware that these issues with Blacks and hispanics are arising all over the United States and not just in New York. Why do you ask? or are you under the impression that Im making all this up?

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YoungPhenom4TheFuture · Jan 2007

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YP4TF> Well OPEN YOUR EYES because it's a reality I repeat I have never witness any Black men attack Latino or Black Children Children the way that grown hispanics men attacked Black Children. We both have a different reality. Agreed YP4TF> The police department which includes members of ALL races including BLACK, LATINO, WHITE, CHINESE ECT. I agree its all races in the NYPD, however the White man rules the Police Department and all the races that work for the police department. Agreed YP4TF> Maybe you weren't "attacked" because you got lucky, or maybe because the circumstances didn't call for it. Why does it have to be because you "look" like a latino, that you didn't get beat up? Speaking as a African American its still COULD HAVE me or you. Agreed YP4TF> And anyways, who are you to determine who a hispanic hates? and who are you to determine who Hispanics love? Agreed YP4TF> My BEST friend is puerto rican, and my ex was dominican. Why do you feel so compelled to repeat yourself about your Hispanics friends. I never said you can't have Hispanic friends, Or is that another one of your impressions of what I think? YP4TF> I get along perfectly fine with latinos because I respect their culture, as they do mine. I CAN get along perfectly fine to with Latino's too, However most don't have any respect for Black People or our struggles. If that's how you feel YP4TF> It's not neccesarily what you say, but what your words lend to. Although you might not have said "I hate hispanics", through your diction and opinion towards Latinos, you've given me the impression that the above statement just might be true. The NYPD Officers that fired 50 shots and murdered Sean Bell was also under the impression that Sean Bell was going to and his friends was going to get gun or had a gun. AP4TF ur impression is simply your view and not the view of everyone elses or mines. YP4TF> that makes you NO BETTER than "they" are. UR point is let Hispanics use the N-word and that Im no better for calling hispanics SPICS when I hear them use the N-Word in my presents. In short ur telling me to turn the other cheek. Exactly. I Believe the only way we can even fathom a some sentiment of "world peace" is to be the bigger man in situations like these. YP4TF> And congratulations, as a race, we are now back at square one Hahaha now how on earth are we as a race back at square one, all because of me calling hispanics SPICS. HaHaHa so I ruined the entire Black race. You funny YP4TF. Nah...I'm **** serious but you're laughing...and that's sad. YP4TF> Many of them came to this country for a better life.Now if America was in a time of strife, and oppresion, would you not want to leave those conditions for better ones? Only an insensible person wouldn't. Hispanics just as all other immigrants that come to America are only in the US off African Americans blood sweat and tears. Let's not forget that African Americans built this Country and that America is only rich because of slavery. So their fore all Hispanics should at least have enough respect to at least keep the N-word out their mouths. I don't know about you but my African Americans Ancestors predates at least 200 yrs before Hispanic immigrants started coming to this Country. Several Of my Ancestor's fort in the civil war, my Great Great Grandmother she didn't have no name, until my Great Great Grandfather gave her a name she never spoke a word all she knew was **** work. My Grandmother sewed American Flags for America. I have history here. America is my home, and I expect and demand that those who newly arrived immigrants that migrate to my Country for a better life to respect those before them. Just because you see non-white people working good government or city jobs doesn't mean that their job is not related to the oppression of their own people. Auction of the past are now today's Courts the Judge is the auctioneer the DA is the bidder and the lawyers are the bankers. Nothing has really changed in the America as far a the white mans behavior goes against African Americans. Yes Black People came a long way, and yes Black People now have the right to vote, but it doesn't mean they have to count Black Peoples votes. I can go on and on on this subject. This is a very oppressive Country, just they renamed everything and to blind Black People by highering Black faces and non-whites in their dirty deeds. However when others come to this Country they are permitted to work for The American Dream where as Many African American born are left with poor education and most of the time left behind, faced with many other issues that immigrant's will never have to face. Only because we are Black People. However Iam NOT a advocate for immigration because its taking from the mouths of African Americans who are already here. I don't disagree with you. In NY many once Black Neighborhood's are now being replaced with immigrants. Many non-working hispanics families have housing where as many African American Families are living in homeless shelters. The US Gov are looking out for Hispanics more so then African Americans the US Gov gives them welfare and ssi whatever they apply for. I worked my **** off for many years and paid my taxes. When I took ill and I had to go to public assistance for NOT money or food stamps but for just Medicaid. I was turned down, because they said I had too much money in the bank which is my nest egg. However I saw many Hispanics, Chinese and Russians sitting in the welfare Office, and the worst of it, most of them didn't speak the English language, but they are in America having many babies. I feel for you. Immigrants shouldn't be allowed in America if they don't have no skills or anything productive to bring to America [America was founded on the principles of "give me your hungary, tired, and poor" and that's exactly what they have. Regardless of what you or I want from this country, this is what it is.] and most of all if they don't speak English, I don't care if they are hungry or not, and yes, I dont care to much about immigrates coming and kicking back off my tax dollars. By the way, Why do you feel the need to be so concerned with the hispanics well being? I don't. Not specifically hispanics at least. I have concern for ALL human beings regardless of creed or color. When so African Americans are being pushed into a corner? Hmmm...I actually have a lot to say about that. I don't think AA are being pushed into the corner. I think latinos are coming and makinga place for themselves. I might not agree with them being here, or the place they've taken, but they have every right to be. They are taking advantage of every oppurtunity afforded to them. Smart? I think so. Strategic? Defininitly. Whether we like it or not, Black people as a race, are now on a defensive tip "against" other minorities where in the past, we've always been playing this "game" offensively. It's a change we have not come to terms yet I think. A lot of things have changed for us in the past century, and it's has been, and will be an extremely strenuous adjustment. YP4TF are you even on your own side. Ay be clear, I have my head set on my shoulders strait. I may not share your opinion but I've been living with my eyes wide open, and I'm very aware of our situation as a people, but I'm not going to justify or legitamize being sour towards immigrants because they're nasty towards me. That's not how you grow. If you think I'm playing on their team you're wrong. I'm looking at the bigger picture in reference to the future, not neccesarily the past and if you can't understand that, maybe YOU don't know whose side you're on. I doubt it very much if your hispanics friend's are out on a limb for you, as you are for them. I'm not really sure what you mean by that comment, but I'm taking it as this: Their security(economically, socially, politically) is further established then mine, because of obvious reasons. No, I don't think so. I AM still a citizen. If this is not what you meant, then please enlighten me.

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YoungPhenom4TheFuture · Jan 2007

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lol...oh wow. I'd really love to respond to all that you've said but honestly, you've just typed a friggini novel dude. Just a few comments then I'm done. Firstly, for some reason I think that you've picked up that I was a Christian. I'm no such thing, although I have no issue with them or their beliefs; they just aren't mine. I can't tell you where my morals came from, but I can tell you that they definitely didn't come from the christian church, or any church for that matter. I'm going to applogize for this in adavance. I knowwww we have "different realities" and everything but the whole **** thing you just put out there....yea I'm going to go ahead and call that a load of sh!t smh. Did you just pick a race and call them incestuous because you could find nothing else to say bad about them? But anyway, that's not important. What I can say, is that you, and your attitude towards how we've fallen as a race makes me proud to be African American, even if I don't agree with many of your thoughts. Just because you have the fire and gusto to advocate for your race is commendable. And by the way, I'd like to say for the record, that I am not passive agressive towards this situation. You can say I have a conflict if you wish, but the reason my post might have seemed pro-latino is that I am pro-latino. I'm pro-latino, pro-chinese, pro-white, pro-iraqi-- I'm PRO-PEOPLE! That's how I operate. I look at the greats before me, and those who've had success were the ones who excluded ostrasized no one, and wanted peace and equality for all. IE MLK and Mahatma Ghandi, so if you were looking for a Black Leader for tomorrow, you've found one. So here, I believe is the difference between you and I. On this note Theresa, Have a wonderful life my sister. Peace, Love and Happiness.

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