What, if any information does anyone have about the Masons. I have done my research and everything seems cool, but I just need that reassurance from a group of people. So if you know anything please let me know. :?:
And so we're back on this now..... it has been said this isn't a religion. That would be 100% true. Yall can back and forth all this forever til u are all blue in the face. I refuse to fight it anymore. If u don't get my PHamily... then u don't. The REAL ? is would u like to understand. If so then take the steps needed. THE END!
Since I am a Prince Hall mason I think I have this topic down to a science, Number 1 Albert Pike was not a spokesperson for freemasonry and he never claimed he was. To take one quote from one of his works and to generalize is incorrect. Once again it is not a religion. Black students were usually older back then and in some states the age requirements for being a mason was 18 especially in the south. An eastern star could be 18 years old in some cases since it required a bloodline relation to a mason to be one, so that negates your age theory. You should do so more research because you have quite a few holes in your presentation. And yes the greek organizations were modeled after freemasonry, but suited for the college students
I never said that he was a spokesperson. I said that he is considered the ather of American freemasonry. And that is referenced in a number of credible sources. I am not trying to dog masonry or the order. I am just sharing what I read. I keep hearing everyone talk about masonry and its link to D9. But I have yet to find any sources linking it. Sure, one can auess and assume that it is so. But where is the evidence? My org. has no such thing written down. If my founders were OES, I feel it would have been documented. Everything else about them was documented. I have had friends, who want to be Deltas, who are Eastern Stars swear me up and down that my founders were in the order. But nobody ever offers real evidence to back up this claim. It is not documented that Delta Sigma Theta's founders were Eastern Stars, so I wish people would stop saying such, unless you can show me proof. This is not to say that OES is not a good org. This is just to say that I wish people wouldn't say things about my founders when they don't know for a fact. Has anyone else found documentation, and not hearsay, that states that their founders were masons or in the order?
And so we're back on this now..... it has been said this isn't a religion. That would be 100% true. Yall can back and forth all this forever til u are all blue in the face. I refuse to fight it anymore. If u won't get my PHamily... then u don't. The REAL ? is would u like to understand. If so then take the steps needed. THE END!
I wasn't trying to offend anyone. I was just sharing some of the stuff I'd read. I am not interested in being a member. Delta suits me fine for now. I'll pursue other orgs (NCNW, Links) later on in life after I have accomplished more.
Not sayin that u were....no problems wit u here. As far as that founders thing goes.... as it was said before, these greek lettered organizations have some shaping from the Starz and Squares but are not all directly linked. I can say that one of the founders of MY organization had help from a member of the order. Her mother assisted in this sorority's inception and she was a Star.
Miss Trauma Unit I can tell by your answers that have not been a member of your organization very long and if so you education in fraternal organizations lack thereof. Do you honestly think that the founders of your great organization just woke up one day and the ritual, symbols and signs just came out the blue without one member being attached to another organization of light. I have been researching and studying fraternal organizations and sororities for close to 13 years. I have done countless hours of unbiased research, discussions and interactions with members. I know plenty of people who are members of both greek and masonic organizations who pledged old school and will tell you the same thing I am telling you. Half of the stuff in the greek organizations is almost verbatim to the freemasnonry organizations. When you get a chance you should get with some of the older members of delta who are eastern stars and maybe they will educate you. As far as the founders of your organization being all 18-20 years old that is incorrect. Have you forgotten they were AKA's first which was founded in 1908 and Delta was founded in 1913 so how could that be? Just because it wasn't taught to you that does not mean it wasn't the case. Not to mention Delta was trying to distance themselves as much as they could from AKA so just maybe some things were left out on purpose and not carried over to Delta. Why do you think so many greeks join freemasonry and the eastern star so they could understand the deeper aspects of their own organizations and the true origins. And then you claim there was no connection with freemasonry and the church in the plight of black people in this country? Huh? The founders of two of the first black churces in america, the AME church by Richard Allen and the St Thomas Episcopal CHURCH founded by Absalam Jones were both Prince Hall Masons and abolishonists. The churchs and the lodges served as hideouts for runaway slaves during the underground movement.
By the way the Links is by invitation only.
This is what happens when people become members of organizations in one night, they turn history into a mystery
You have just been educated by PHMAN also known as the Minister of Information.
Shout out to my Prince Hall PHAmily!
Miss Trauma Unit I can tell by your answers that have not been a member of your organization very long and if so you education in fraternal organizations lack thereof. Do you honestly think that the founders of your great organization just woke up one day and the ritual, symbols and signs just came out the blue without one member being attached to another organization of light. I have been researching and studying fraternal organizations and sororities for close to 13 years. I have done countless hours of unbiased research, discussions and interactions with members. I know plenty of people who are members of both greek and masonic organizations who pledged old school and will tell you the same thing I am telling you. Half of the stuff in the greek organizations is almost verbatim to the freemasnonry organizations. When you get a chance you should get with some of the older members of delta who are eastern stars and maybe they will educate you. As far as the founders of your organization being all 18-20 years old that is incorrect. Have you forgotten they were AKA's first which was founded in 1908 and Delta was founded in 1913 so how could that be? Just because it wasn't taught to you that does not mean it wasn't the case. Not to mention Delta was trying to distance themselves as much as they could from AKA so just maybe some things were left out on purpose and not carried over to Delta. Why do you think so many greeks join freemasonry and the eastern star so they could understand the deeper aspects of their own organizations and the true origins. And then you claim there was no connection with freemasonry and the church in the plight of black people in this country? Huh? The founders of two of the first black churces in america, the AME church by Richard Allen and the St Thomas Episcopal CHURCH founded by Absalam Jones were both Prince Hall Masons and abolishonists. The churchs and the lodges served as hideouts for runaway slaves during the underground movement.
By the way the Links is by invitation only.
This is what happens when people become members of organizations in one night, they turn history into a mystery
You have just been educated by PHMAN also known as the Minister of Information.
Shout out to my Prince Hall PHAmily!
First of all, I know that Links is by invitation only. My mother, grandmother and several aunts, and my godmother are all Links. And I am in constant contact with older Deltas. My grandmother is a Delta and a member of OES. Like I said, it is undocumented that my founders were OES. It is clearly outlines where my rituals come from, and no mention whatsoever is of OES or masonry. A lot of stuff is "passed down," but that doesn't make it necessarily true. I only go on documented facts when it comes to stuff like that. Since, you have done so much research, will you please enlighten me with the information that you speak of, including the documentation to back it up. I am not close minded. I just refuse to accept hearsay. I need to see the documentation. One of the reasons I chose Delta was because of the Deltas I grew up around. The majority of them were old school. My grandmother pledged in 1953. She became OES in the late 60s when my aunt was in grade kindergarden. And what stuff have you seen of Delta's that is almost verbatim to OES/masonry? I want to know. And just because my founders were AKAs first, doesn't mean that they became AKAs in 1908. The majority of them became AKAs in 1912. They were eligible at the end of their freshman or the beginning of their sophomore year. So that type of reasoning makes no sense. Are you understanding what you are writing? I know how old my founders were. That was revealed to me and documented. Why would I listen to you based on some weird hypothesis you have based on the fact that AKA was founded in 1908? So does that mean that all the AKAs we know now are over 100 years old, since AKA was founded in 1908? Anyway...Like I said, show me your evidence concerning my organization. I am a Delta scholar when it comes to my information about my organization. So I know about Delta. I don't claim to know the ins and outs of everyone else's org. The others could have very well been founded by masons/OES. I don't know. I can only speak on that which is documented about Delta. All members of Greek orgs do not join OES/Masons to get a better understanding of their orgs. As a matter of fact, lots of them join their orgs first and go Masonic later. Are you greek? If not, what makes you think that a greater understanding of one's org comes from becomng OES/Mason? I don't see where OES would tell me anything about Delta that I don't already know or can find out. I am not dissing the order or masonry, but I think that for some mason to tell me some BS about my org is ridiculus. For you to say something like that about my org shows your ignorance. There are no tiers or degrees of Delta. Once you are have pledged and are initiated, then you are a Delta. You may run for different positions in Delta, but there are no higher degrees to seek.
Trauma unit first of all I never said that all members of greek organizations wanted to become memers of freemasonry/oes to understand some of the deeper aspects of their organizations, So where did you get that information from? Secondly I never said that delta had degrees or other tiers and so forth. You seem to have a hard time paying attention and answering questions without going off on a tangent. Third of all I am not speaking for delta. Only a fool or and uneducated person would deny the influence and obvious borrowing of many ideals, mottos, grips, etc. Fourthly I proved you wrong with regards to freemasonry and the church, and your obvious misunderstandings of Albert Pikes words about Freemasonry being a religion when it is not, and a number of other things. The word ignorant means without knowledge so because I proved you wrong that makes me ignorant? You are a funny woman. PLease don't bother responding anymore I have already proven my point and everthing I have stated before just seems to be misquoted by you adnaseum.
So let's keep it moving. Thank you.
Is it true u need a bloodline though. I've been told that u didnt and i was told that u did
I think u USED to need one and maybe u still do in some chapters but I know several members of OES who are not through bloodline
Sidenote .. All this time I never knew u were DatMdShawty .. I talked to u before about Grambling .. U go there right? .. But u got ghost for a min .. But lookin at ur blue and white siggy I guess I know why now lol
