What do you all think about wives submitting themselves to their own husbands. Sometimes some people take the scripture in ephesians 5:22 out of context. A while ago after hearing Elder Johnny James comment on it I was enlightened ever more about the scripture. I already knew that the scripture was only referring to married women, of course, and that it was clarifying that wives need to submit to their OWN husbands. As I look up a verse I also see that we ought to submit ourselves one to another. So what I'm seeing is that we should each submit in our own way, in our roles in marriage. So with all that being said what do you all think about "submitting" to your husband when marriage arrives?
The roles have been covered or have they :???: ??
It seems to me that people get roles confused with how the house hold is ran. Usually, the woman cooks, cleans and all that domestic stuff. Basically, a ****. and the man ? ...Fixes stuff, i suppose. Is that truely what God had in mind when it comes to roles? I don't think so. Personally, i feel that it's up to the particular couple to decide. whatever works best for them may not work for other couples. Many, marriages these days don't take on the traditional "roles" that have been placed upon them by MAN. With that being said, i believe in 100/100 not 50/50.
i completely agree...wow i dont have to argue with you :-D
and i disagree with her 150%...imma have to break it down over the weekend because i'm working so...
brb.. :???: > 8-) (evy)
everyone must submit....man and woman. We as human being in general have to learn how to humble ourselves and serve one another. Service is a ministry. Marriage is a ministry. So let's put this together folks...service=ministry=marriage.
As for the whole liberalism/feminism debate...i really didn't want to get into becuz havin a debate with demmeri is absolutely pointless and designed to simply drive one nuts. :???:
But anyone who has taken a political science course...even an introductory one, knows that every ideology breaks down into different categories. There are no set of feminists, ****, and conservatives that are all the same, with identical beliefs and viewpoints. There are extreme feminists, afro-culture feminists, moderate feminists, etc. Just like there are total right wing conservatives, moderate conservatives, and so on. But i'm gonna leave this alone, becuz this debate was only designed to go around in circles. I don't have the patience for it.
yeah i agree with the stank that people manipulae this verse in order to take advantage of female folk...
the Bible also says that you're suppose to love your wife as you love yourself...and that you're suppose to be what Christ is to the Church to your wife...i dunno if i expressed that properly... Chirst doesn't bop the church upset the head and call them a **** if they don't do right...Christ shows the example of how to be a good human and how to please God in your life and walk...Chirst is suppose to be the example of what God wants us to be...and this is what the male is suppose to do as head of his household...he is suppose to be what Chirst is to the church...
but a husband is suppose to love his wife as himself (that's what the Book says)...it says nothing about slapping her upside the head and making her do the dishes...you're suppose to love her and treat her as if she's apart of your own body...it says nothing about you dominating her or about seeing if she can take a punch or not...
and a woman is to respect her husband out of love...(the Bible never actually says "Woman, love your husband...")...a woman shows her love for her husband according to the Bible by repecting him and his leadership... ths husband was designed by God to lead...the question is what kind of leader is he?
ladies, if you don't feel that you can trust or repect his leadership because of his incompetence, you shouldn't have married his **** in the first place...
and there can't be 2 heads of the house...this is liberalism and feiminsm (sp) at it's worst...are there 2 Chirst in the church? when you have 2 heads, it's not gonna work....man was designed by god to lead, and he should be the leader or else it ain't gonna work, ya dig? 8-) (evy)
Ladies I'll have to apologize for Demmeri, he really doesnt know any better.
don't get mad because i'm right...it's called wisdom...i listen to doctor laura and read the Bible...and what?
Oh, and about the men and women being two heads of a household... youre so old school. Alot of the translations of the text do point to what you speak of: Men being the head. However, A head means nothing without a body (the church) so it would be safe to say that they are equally important. Equally.
i never said anything about the role of women in the household being LESS important to the role of the male...I MADE SURE TO STRESS THAT THEY WERE EQUALLY IMPORTANT! and this is what women need to know and this is what they come to realise later on in life...
this is what the feminist are trying to convince women...that thier traditional role is degrading...and men aren't helping either by taking advantage of thier leadership role...i guess this was the reason for feminism? i guess it was partially our fault befcause we took advantage by manipulating what our role meant...
But hey, keep arguing your point about male superiority in the bible, im sure some woman will be drooling over you by the time youre done. :lol:
dude, my future wife is gonna realise that she's with a man who follows tradition and what works....who believes in the relationship and is trying to follow examples that will make it last forever...i have and continue to seek wisdom on things like this...
she's gonna be proud that her man was wise enough to seek out god's wisdom on what works....and to compare and contrast traditional realtionships and mariiages of the progressive culture...my babe is gonna be proud that i didn't model our relationship from the real world or some other liberal bullcrap show...my babe is gonna be proud that i will be her protector and provider and she's not gonna hev to worry about stuff like that....my babe is gonna be proud of me beause we're gonna be living like a family in the 50s....3 kids and a dog...i'm mr. "hi honey, i'm home" and she'll greet me with a kiss...we'll be happily married to death do us part in the hills of pradise valley, arizona...
WHY?
simply because traditional relationships work....this liberal "2-heads" stuff hasn't proven to be sucessful...
you're just showing me immaturity when it comes to long term relationships and what works and what doesn't...i think you've been watching too much MTV and nikelodeon...maybe that's why you are confused about what the roles of males and females are in a long term relationship....
how long do you think your relationship is gonna last if you have your wife determining your finaincing plan and fixing that flat on your 2005 volvo s 80? do you really think it's gonna be forever if you're sitting there telling your son "now you wait tillyour mommmy gets home...you're gonna get such a beating...." while wearing that apron that you brought from O magazine?
you'll be divorced in 5 years...just like all liberal progressive man-wit-coochie relationships...
TRADITION WORKS!
i think he is threatened, but anyway...
i did make this topic before, and i dont feel like getting to deep into this. i dont know about the whole submitting thing. i dont feel that anybody should have control over me but God. yes i read the scriptures, but society has changed since those days. now until someone can explain to me why i should do otherwise, this is where i stand.
threatened? why do feminist always say this?? it's like yall run around with index cards or something...
men don't feel threatened by women, period...men have confidence...so much confidence that we don't have to run around skipping saying things like "boys are better than girls" or leaving a little "because it's fun being a man" at the end of our **** commercials...
if it's so fun, then why do you have to say it? and why do just about ALL of yall want to have boys? and want to dress, talk and act like us? i thought it was fun being a woman?
just because society has changed, doesn't mean that God's expectations of women and men have...
like i said...tradition works...
explain why laura bush has a higher approval rating than hillary clinton qwhile she was first lady?
ask a man to tell you what he thinks a strong woman is and he won't say a feminist....he won't descibe a feminist... he might descibe a lura bush type chick, or a preachers wife..somebody that is proud to be a female and has high self esteem... you feminist don't show that...you ju7st wanna bash males...
laura has a higher approval rate by whom? whose lookin at her little dippity lookin ****? whose pushin her to run for pres? who elected her to be governor?..............
hey ****, newsweek and US today do public opinion polls every once in a while to get folk opinion about other folk...if you were actually paying attention during th months leading up to the election, you have heard somebody talking about the fact that laura bush is very well liked...she has a higher approval rating than her husband of course, clinton, and had a MUCH higher rating than hillary when she was second lady...
she's well liked even among democrats...
compare and contrast the 2 women...or should i say the perfect wife and the liberal feminist b!tch and see why one has such a higher rating than the other...
one's a strong woman and the other one's just plain silly in my and the other half of americas point of view...
LIBERAL LIE: HILLARY CLINTON IS WELL LIKED....
The roles have been covered or have they :???: ??
It seems to me that people get roles confused with how the house hold is ran. Usually, the woman cooks, cleans and all that domestic stuff. Basically, a ****. and the man ? ...Fixes stuff, i suppose. Is that truely what God had in mind when it comes to roles? I don't think so. Personally, i feel that it's up to the particular couple to decide. whatever works best for them may not work for other couples. Many, marriages these days don't take on the traditional "roles" that have been placed upon them by MAN. With that being said, i believe in 100/100 not 50/50.
i disagree with you 1100%...
i believe the roles should remain the same as God intended...the woman has the POWERFUL AND IMPORTANT role of being the keeper of the house, and the male and the important role of being the leader and provider...
these traditional roles weren't placed on them by man, but by God...and this is th reason why these realtionships work...it's goe against what God (natiure for you athiest) intended....complare our modern society with cultures who ebrace the traditional role...compare divorce rates...
a 2 headed house always fails...a MAN needs to lead jsut as God inteneded...the problem is we don't have enough men who are capable of doing this...that's why women are rebelling...we're just getting what we deserve...
couples should do what is best for them, but in order for thier relationship to suceed, they need to stay as close to tradition as possible...that's why men need to step up and be REAL men...it's our fault partailly that our society is breaking down because there aren't enough real men out there who can be the breadwinner and provide for thier families...the sh!t breaks down frm the start and the marriage is doomed...
It's funny how demmeri, puts all his focus on feminist but never acknowledge why there was a need for the movement.
i know why...men where takin advantage of yall...yall had no representation in government, chicks getting punched in the gut at home with no stiff penalties for the male, women were only aloud to speak when spoken to...
yall had it ruff and the movement was definately neccesssary and had beninfited our society in some ways...
but it's the extremist and the extremist views and the ways that these ideas are wrecking our society and our women that i hate and lash out at...
So basically Demmeri, in a very piggish way youre arguing that men should do "men stuff" and women should play their "role". And you think youre not a chauvinist?
You think that in the year of 05' your conservative notion of a man being dominant in a relationship is going to fly with the 05' (black*) woman?
Okay, you go on talking about what *Gods intentions are and I'll let you ramble on about women serving men. No really, its fun to watch I havent had someone talk so much about Nothing in years...since my debating days in High school.
Maybe I'm a new school liberal methodist christian who believes in the equal importance of men and women, who thinks that its okay if the woman is a lawyer and the man is a teacher...if they are happy then *Shrug*. I wont be the guy who laughs at their "ungodly" relationship or tells the guy that he needs to step up and make more money than her. Im sure if they are happy with each other then they have a system and partnership set up so to be conducive of Happiness.
And whos the last modern day feminist you talked to? You should talk to my older sister whos part of a feminist club at her college...really well read, shed probably squash every theory you have. Shes not an extremist at all, but a very level headed woman whos been in a relationship for several years with one man and isnt one of those "Leave him, go cheat" kind of girls either. Neither are the friends she hangs out with. "Get your sh*t together" - TI
