Is God all good?

46 replies · 11301 views · Started by prettyboi04 · Dec 2007
The following is supposedly an actual question given on a University of Toronto chemistry mid-term. The answer by one student was so "profound" that the professor shared it with colleagues, via the Internet, which is, of course, why we now have the pleasure of enjoying it as well. Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)? Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law (gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed) or some variant. One student, however, wrote the following: First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different Religions that exist in the world today. Most of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added. This gives two possibilities: 1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose. 2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over. So which is it? If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my Freshman year that, "it will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you, and take into account the fact that I slept with her last night, then number 2 must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and has already frozen over. The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is therefore, extinct...leaving only Heaven thereby proving the existence of a divine being which explains why, last night, Teresa kept shouting "Oh my God."
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smc112 · Feb 2008
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i*heart*pie wrote:
Interesting. It's funny how when I speak the real deal, you call it nonsense. And as for God having a zero tolerance policy on non-believers, I would swear that the Hindus beg to differ. Seeing as how their religion predates yours over 4,000 years. Where was God then? He certainly wasn't wiping out the populations in the Ganges. And what's this, the Bible is really JUST FOR for the saved? Are you stuck on stupid, or something? I thought that Jesus favored the unrighteous OVER the righteous. I mean, this dude kicked it with tax collectors, fishermen, and a ****. Not very righteous people. I also do believe he told Simon Peter and his buddies to cast down their nets and become 'fishers of men'...not hunters of them. In fact, from what I've read in the Bible--you sound like a straight up Pharisee. YOU'RE the real blasphemer, not me. You know the Word just as much as I do, and yet you misinterpret Christ's love.. Just so we're clear, I didn't ask you to prove anything. In fact, my query was directed towards to Sister Tamara, thank you very much. You came out of the woodworks and started blasting me. I didn't ask you to get into any strife. Didn't ask you to start defending your belief in God. I didn't ask YOU a damned thing. So don't turn the tables on me. You have me defending MY faith which is on some next shyt, because I didn't impose it on anyone. I just asked a simple, objective question. In which, the response was certainly not objective, just more forced Christianity.
Okay, I said I was finished with this thread but I had to say this. The word is hidden from unbelievers. The word was hidden from the Pharisees back in the day because they were unbelievers. They were forever seeing but never understanding. Jesus even said, that it is for God's good pleasure that he has revealed it (the word) to little children and kept it from you. (He was talking to the Pharisees) You will be forever reading but never understanding. The Holy Spirit is the one who gives the revelation and you will never know who he is until you accept Jesus. Also, I didn't say that God had a zero tolerance for unbelievers. He sent Jesus for the lost, but until you choose to receive him, you won't understand the word. The word is written for God's people. In order for you to become God's people, you must first accept Jesus as your Lord and savior. The only way to the Father is through his son. If you can't understand that concept of becoming saved, how will you understand the rest of God's word? His word is very complex for people who aren't saved, and that is why people question the word so much. It is easier to understand God's word when you have the author of his word, living inside of you, and that is the Holy Spirit. Also, I do not misinterpret Christ's love for you. If you go back and read my last sentence in that message, I said that Jesus still has love for you, even though you are disrespecful towards him and choosing not to receive him. Also, I didn't blast you with my response to your query to Sister Tamara, you just read it through offensive eyes. If anything that was real wisdom that single women need to take with them, when they are about to get married. Life isn't all about you. Your life is to help others become the best they can be. Your job, as a wife, is to help your husband to be the best that he can be. In order to make a marriage work, you have to become SELFLESS. That is why the rate of divorce is so high because people are thinking too much about themselves. Selfish people shouldn't ever get married, because you have to become selfless in order to have a successful marriage and to raise children. When you have children, in their minds, they feel it is all about them. So they can't have a mother who is feeling the same. Someone has to not be selfish and to think of others before themselves. So if you got an attitude that it's all about you, then you shouldn't get married nor have children.
prettyboi04 · Feb 2008
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SuperFly wrote:
If accepting Jesus into your life were not a choice, wouldn't that mean you were a Christian? Just because some people try to make you feel like you don't have a choice doesn't mean that it is true. Matter of factly, even God Himself expects you except Him into your life voluntarily. Otherwise, that defeats the whole purpose of the institution.
I don't really think that is how it works in reality--I don't really think religious beliefs are volitional to the extent that many people claim. For one, it's pretty darn impossible for you to believe in something you've never even heard of before. I'm sure there have been plenty of people who have lived and died without hearing about Jesus, Christianity, God, or the bible--e.g. natives in the Americas before the arrival of the Spanish, the Mayan and Incan civilizations, some of the mentally **** who can't understand it anyway. Basically, I think that beliefs are controlled, in large part by a person's environment--the experiences they've had, their ethnic and cultural background, the knowledge they have gained through experience, emotions, etc. A lot of the people who convert to certain religions, usually have had profound subjective experiences. I can't control the fact that I haven't had any. I can't control the fact that I see no evidence for the "foundational beliefs" in which accepting Jesus becomes relevant and makes sense. I can't control the fact that I disagree with many Christian viewpoints. If belief is really a free choice, can a devout Christian become an Atheist for a week and genuinely, DEEP DOWN INSIDE, believe that God doesn't exist or at least become skeptical that he does? And with regards to the point about that God expecting people to submit to him voluntarily, since belief really isn't a free choice, I think that that particular conception of God is incorrect. That is merely what people say ABOUT God. As far as I'm concerned, God hasn't spoken to anyone, God is not here, God is not real. Whatever people say about God, is merely what they themselves have made up or what other people have said.
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SuperFly · Feb 2008
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prettyboi04 wrote:
I don't really think that is how it works in reality--I don't really think religious beliefs are volitional to the extent that many people claim. For one, it's pretty darn impossible for you to believe in something you've never even heard of before. I'm sure there have been plenty of people who have lived and died without hearing about Jesus, Christianity, God, or the bible--e.g. natives in the Americas before the arrival of the Spanish, the Mayan and Incan civilizations, some of the mentally **** who can't understand it anyway. Basically, I think that beliefs are controlled, in large part by a person's environment--the experiences they've had, their ethnic and cultural background, the knowledge they have gained through experience, emotions, etc. A lot of the people who convert to certain religions, usually have had profound subjective experiences. I can't control the fact that I haven't had any. I can't control the fact that I see no evidence for the "foundational beliefs" in which accepting Jesus becomes relevant and makes sense. I can't control the fact that I disagree with many Christian viewpoints. If belief is really a free choice, can a devout Christian become an Atheist for a week and genuinely, DEEP DOWN INSIDE, believe that God doesn't exist or at least become skeptical that he does? And with regards to the point about that God expecting people to submit to him voluntarily, since belief really isn't a free choice, I think that that particular conception of God is incorrect. That is merely what people say ABOUT God. As far as I'm concerned, God hasn't spoken to anyone, God is not here, God is not real. Whatever people say about God, is merely what they themselves have made up or what other people have said.
Using your reasoning, i*heart*pie should be a Christian.
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· Feb 2008
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smc112 wrote:
Okay, I said I was finished with this thread but I had to say this. The word is hidden from unbelievers. The word was hidden from the Pharisees back in the day because they were unbelievers. They were forever seeing but never understanding. Jesus even said, that it is for God's good pleasure that he has revealed it (the word) to little children and kept it from you. (He was talking to the Pharisees) You will be forever reading but never understanding. The Holy Spirit is the one who gives the revelation and you will never know who he is until you accept Jesus. Also, I didn't say that God had a zero tolerance for unbelievers. He sent Jesus for the lost, but until you choose to receive him, you won't understand the word. The word is written for God's people. In order for you to become God's people, you must first accept Jesus as your Lord and savior. The only way to the Father is through his son. If you can't understand that concept of becoming saved, how will you understand the rest of God's word? His word is very complex for people who aren't saved, and that is why people question the word so much. It is easier to understand God's word when you have the author of his word, living inside of you, and that is the Holy Spirit. Also, I do not misinterpret Christ's love for you. If you go back and read my last sentence in that message, I said that Jesus still has love for you, even though you are disrespecful towards him and choosing not to receive him. Also, I didn't blast you with my response to your query to Sister Tamara, you just read it through offensive eyes. If anything that was real wisdom that single women need to take with them, when they are about to get married. Life isn't all about you. Your life is to help others become the best they can be. Your job, as a wife, is to help your husband to be the best that he can be. In order to make a marriage work, you have to become SELFLESS. That is why the rate of divorce is so high because people are thinking too much about themselves. Selfish people shouldn't ever get married, because you have to become selfless in order to have a successful marriage and to raise children. When you have children, in their minds, they feel it is all about them. So they can't have a mother who is feeling the same. Someone has to not be selfish and to think of others before themselves. So if you got an attitude that it's all about you, then you shouldn't get married nor have children.

Riiight. I grew up in the church. I went through the whole process. I am a former born-again Christian. I question the Word (as you put it) because there's some holes in there. Not because I don't know what it is to get saved. I thought I was allowed that inquisitiveness, but apparently such is not the case. I'm not miffed, because now that I'm gone, I'm not planning on returning. Really, I'm not. I'm happy where I'm at. As for marriage, you're right, selfish people shouldn't get married. They usually don't. But I'm not getting married because I'm selfish. In fact, for the most part, I'm selfless, and I help others. It's how I learn about the world around me. All that aside, do you know all the benefits that one gains from being married in the U.S?! I'm just not getting married because I'm not ready. Right now, all I can think about is all the over-due books that I have on my computer desk. Being in a relationship is the farthest thing on my mind, much less marriage. As for kids, I get a headache just thinking about the possibility of me being pregnant. Don't get me wrong, I like kids. I just don't want to have them.

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