You asked a question, and I answered. If you don't see the relavance, then dig deeper.
You're right.
I fail to see the on topic relevance of your comment.
If I'd posed a community service scenario, where I am there purely to SERVE my community, Yes I'd see the relevance.
In this scenario of what it is that I owe aspirants, your comment seemed tangential at best.
Was there any more depth to your response than that?
Being Greek shouldn't justify give you being arrogant or give you a reason to feel that you are above everyone else. Like I said, this has nothing to do with being Greek, it's the attitude YOU present on this board.
Me being Greek has little to do with me feeling that I'm better than most everyone else.
Most people simply aren't on my level, PERIOD.
If my attitude makes you or anyone else feel a little less than all warm and fuzzy on the inside, then perhaps you should stop expecting other peoples words to always rest well with you.
I simply speak my mind, in the manner that thoughts come to my mind.
I don't clean em up nor censor them for anyone.
Having and sharing my opinion is well within my god given ability.
You feeling good about it is strictly optional.
You can speak your mind and not think you above anyone. I'm not against anybody speaking their mind.
You asked a question, and I answered. If you don't see the relavance, then dig deeper.
You're right.
I fail to see the on topic relevance of your comment.
If I'd posed a community service scenario, where I am there purely to SERVE my community, Yes I'd see the relevance.
In this scenario of what it is that I owe aspirants, your comment seemed tangential at best.
Was there any more depth to your response than that?
There was nothing divergent about either of my statements, unless your question intended to detach the community service aspect of being in a greek-lettered org.
There was nothing divergent about either of my statements, unless your question intended to detach the community service aspect of being in a greek-lettered org.
This is a discussion of what Greeks owe aspirants.
Where is the relevance of community service?
I really just dont understand alot of the arrogance Greeks carry around with them. Definitely not all Greeks, but many. Do I think they owe me anything? No just decent human respect that I think all people should have...but I think its more than that. Sometimes I feel like certain Greeks forget that at one time they were aspirants who were searching and learning all they could. I believe there is a certain protocal that a GDI should follow when trying to talk to a Greek, but if that protocal isnt followed shouldnt there be a certain way a Greek handles it, without being nasty to them so that person doesnt go on being ignorant because they didnt learn not one thing from that situation except that " dont ask questions cause they will give me attitude, etc... " If someone is genuinely interested in your organization and they come and talk to you seeing as how you are a member, is being rude, nasty, and acting above them really necessary? I feel like before you wear any letters on your chest you are a man/woman before anything else. So in keeping that in mind everyone should be treated as a man/woman...and not less than that. Its like every female who asks me about joining the Order who have happened to be greek and nongreek, I have no problem entertaining questions assuming they are appropriate at the time, because that is how you learn. Talking to someone who is apart of may give you a slight glimpse into figuring out if joining that org is something you do or dont want to pursue. Of course we all know research is key, but if after doing personal research and I am somewhat knowledgeable of that org and I go to someone of that org and they can tell from the questions I ask that I have been doing my research I dont understand what the problem with talking to them is.
I really just dont understand alot of the arrogance Greeks carry around with them. Definitely not all Greeks, but many.
Arrogance is a qualitative value assigned by your perception.
I'm not saying that Greeks aren't arrogant but we certainly don't have to entertain any questions at anytime about our organizations.
If we choose to respond we don't have to be nice.
Just as if I was uninitiated I would respond the same way to a post I perceive as stupid, I do the same being that I am Greek.
Lady_ J wrote:
Do I think they owe me anything? No just decent human respect that I think all people should have
Agreed.
Lady_ J wrote:
...but I think its more than that
Please elaborate.
Lady_ J wrote:
Sometimes I feel like certain Greeks forget that at one time they were aspirants who were searching and learning all they could.
Searching and learning is fine but the way you go about it is indicative of your sincerity in my opinion.
Did you post questions on the internet asking about the order before, during or near the end of your journey?
Lady_ J wrote:
I believe there is a certain protocal that a GDI should follow when trying to talk to a Greek, but if that protocal isnt followed shouldnt there be a certain way a Greek handles it, without being nasty to them so that person doesnt go on being ignorant because they didnt learn not one thing from that situation except that " dont ask questions cause they will give me attitude, etc... "
If that person doesn't take the time to examine how people are reacting to WHAT they are asking I'd rather that they never be Greek.
I, honestly, don't have any problems answering sincere membership questions anyone who has talked to me via IM from this site can vouch for that.
It's when people, whether they know better or not, ask questions like:
"what should I join?"
"Which frat is better?"
Or
When the unitiated speak on matters that they have no initimate knowledge of I get aggravated.
That's like me trying to speak AUTHORITATIVELY on the affairs of Prince Hall Masons.
I'm not one so how relevant and accuarate are my comments going to be?
Or me asking a question in open forum like "Which body is the best Scottish Rite, York Rite or Prince Hall?"
or a female asking "How do I get invited to be in the Order of the White Shrine of Jerusalem?"
Some questions just don't need to be entertained seriously in open forum as that person propbably has more contacts offline than they know.
They simply lack the courage to speak with them on their own.
Lady_ J wrote:
If someone is genuinely interested in your organization and they come and talk to you seeing as how you are a member, is being rude, nasty, and acting above them really necessary?
Genuine interests do not use messageboards as a source of introductory information.
PERIOD.
If they are so moved by what someone in their community is doing why would someone who is genuinely interested ignore the real live humans and talk with cyber entities?
Lady_ J wrote:
I feel like before you wear any letters on your chest you are a man/woman before anything else. So in keeping that in mind everyone should be treated as a man/woman...and not less than that.
People are generally treated in the manner that they present themselves worthy of.
If a man says something stupid, I treat him as a Stupid Man.
So on and so forth with other adjectives and descriptors.
Lady_ J wrote:
Its like every female who asks me about joining the Order who have happened to be greek and nongreek, I have no problem entertaining questions assuming they are appropriate at the time, because that is how you learn.
The bolded.
The bolded.
That is my point at every instance where I've made a comment that people assume is "hostile".
Some questions, simply put, are not appropriate.
My question for you is how would you handle inappropriate questions?
Look through the Greek Fam forum Lady_J and apply each question to O.E.S. could you always be warm and fuzzy?
Lady_ J wrote:
Talking to someone who is apart of may give you a slight glimpse into figuring out if joining that org is something you do or dont want to pursue. Of course we all know research is key, but if after doing personal research and I am somewhat knowledgeable of that org and I go to someone of that org and they can tell from the questions I ask that I have been doing my research I dont understand what the problem with talking to them is.
Again the bolded.
My problem is that most asking questions here haven't done their research based on the questions that they are asking.
They need to talk with someone in flesh and blood first.
Then come here.
If they aren't going to take any proactive steps why should I spoon fed em?
Are you just gonna give O.E.S. to someone who has taken no offline steps to prepare herself?
