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**** or ****? Posted on 09-05-2008
i*heart*pie

This 'issue' regarding Sarah ****'s last pregnancy has got me thinking. What does it mean to be ****? Or for that matter, ****? I ask this because even though this Vice President hopeful is ****, during her last pregnancy she still chose to continue to have a speech even after her water broke. Even worse, she waited 11 hours on a plane afterwards to have her son. Putting herself and her baby at risk for infection. All in all, that seemed like a **** decision. Even though it brought women's reproductive rights to the forefront, Gov. ****'s pregnancy and what she did during said pregnancy is entirely her business, and I agree with Sen. McCain...she should be left alone. So, now that you know the story behind the thread, what's your stance...**** or ****? Oh, and why?
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replied on 09-05-2008 06:40PM [Reply]
****. I don't believe we should make laws that try to change people's morals.
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Orca51 from Indianapolis, IN replied on 09-07-2008 03:37PM [Reply]
****. before **** was made legal in 1973 it is estimated that 800,00+ women per year tried illegal sometimes self induced abortions.
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cutie4life replied on 09-07-2008 09:06PM [Reply]
pro choice...to add to what Orca said..the only reason **** was made legal was because a lot of women were dying... by doing abortions at home..sticking hangers up there and other stuff
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Orca51 from Indianapolis, IN replied on 09-07-2008 09:48PM [Reply]
Yes hangers, plus drinking bleach and other poisons hoping to self induce an ****. Along with throwing themselves down flights of stairs. This wasn't a small amount of women doing these things. It was thousands.
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replied on 09-07-2008 10:50PM [Reply]
Within the last 2 years I have done a 360 regarding my view on ****. At first I was ****: I felt the woman should have the primary decision in regards to her body and that it was a constitutional violation of the privacy right interpreted by the 14th amendment blah blah blah brainwash. However the reality check is that majority of the abortions performed are in situations in which the woman made the WRONG CHOICE. **** and **** accounts do not come close to the number of "oops" pregnancies. If women exercise the right choice-the choice of marriage before kids, followed by the choice of financial stability before conception, the choice of the mate etc then **** vs. **** would not be as powerful. I do acknowledge that situations of life-endangerment to the mother, ****, **** would be a strong arguments to keep **** available for these "special cases". And that the procedure would possibly still be abused by the ones that have pull within the system. But the Suspreme court case that held the decision of the woman's right to ****, Roe v. Wade, stemmed from an unmarried, pregnant female in texas that challenged **** rights. A pregnancy that was not a result of **** or ****. Nor was her life in jeopardy due to pregnancy. All from an apparent wrong choice she made.....
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KaliBabi replied on 09-07-2008 11:32PM [Reply]
****. I believe that **** is like killing an innocent child, which isnt fair.
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monique09 from Chesapeake, VA replied on 09-07-2008 11:40PM [Reply]

this is a deep topic i believe that a woman should be able to choose what ever is best for her but I think that after the fetus has all of its organs...its murder but when the mothers life is in danger or if the woman was **** then she should be able to decide what she wants to do.
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Orca51 from Indianapolis, IN replied on 09-07-2008 11:41PM [Reply]
konvinceme wrote:
Within the last 2 years I have done a 360 regarding my view on ****. At first I was ****: I felt the woman should have the primary decision in regards to her body and that it was a constitutional violation of the privacy right interpreted by the 14th amendment blah blah blah brainwash. However the reality check is that majority of the abortions performed are in situations in which the woman made the WRONG CHOICE. **** and **** accounts do not come close to the number of "oops" pregnancies. If women exercise the right choice-the choice of marriage before kids, followed by the choice of financial stability before conception, the choice of the mate etc then **** vs. **** would not be as powerful. I do acknowledge that situations of life-endangerment to the mother, ****, **** would be a strong arguments to keep **** available for these "special cases". And that the procedure would possibly still be abused by the ones that have pull within the system. But the Suspreme court case that held the decision of the woman's right to ****, Roe v. Wade, stemmed from an unmarried, pregnant female in texas that challenged **** rights. A pregnancy that was not a result of **** or ****. Nor was her life in jeopardy due to pregnancy. All from an apparent wrong choice she made.....
All of what you said is true, but how does that change a womens right to make that decision for herself. If you are saying it is ok in the situation of **** or **** what makes those fetus' any less valuable than fetus' that were accidents. If the true intent of a '****' person is to protect the "life" of a fetus then why do you value fetus' based upon how they were conceived. It seems to me that the true intent is to punish the woman when this is the core argument. Along with the argument of the option of adoption. When there are already thousands of children waiting to be adopted pro-lifers act as if women are incubators for couples to recieve newborns. All evidence proves that until the nervous system forms at around 24 weeks of gestation the fetus feels no pain. It is a blob of cells for the first couple of months, which is when most women abort. It is necessary for women to be able to choose this for themselves. **** and **** aren't the only good reasons for abortions. It isn't like women run giggling to an **** clinic it's a hard painful choice to have to make. No matter what your reason for getting one is. BTW, the woman in Roe. v. Wade knew that she wouldn't be able to have an ****. She knew that the case would take longer than her pregnancy. For her it was about the bigger picture. The right of future women to be able to make that choice for themselves. And ending the unneccessary coathanger deaths that plagued this country pre 1973. It was to help all women not herself.
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Orca51 from Indianapolis, IN replied on 09-07-2008 11:49PM [Reply]
monique09 wrote:
this is a deep topic i believe that a woman should be able to choose what ever is best for her but I think that after the fetus has all of its organs...its murder but when the mothers life is in danger or if the woman was **** then she should be able to decide what she wants to do.
I agree with you about the organs being completely formed thing etc. My basic belief is that if you can remove the fetus from the mother and it will survive due to help from machines or whatever it is too late to abort. At that point you know your pregnant and it should have been done before viability not after. At that point I think it is murder.
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