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Steve Williams None at None I think you have a point on begging and protesting being from an inferior position. On the other hand there is action, which has as it's goal superiority Dialog is part of action, and is not to be confused with protesting. And the ultimate form of action, when other means fail to achieve superiority, is war. Saturday, September 19th 2009 at 11:44AM

Harry Watley const. contractor/ retired at self Hello Earl, Would you repeat the post about the ghost? I did not get what you meant. I am not saying that protesting by one group towards another group is always a matter of inferiority versus superiority. However, in all the cases of Black Americans and for its reasons, Blacks are the inferior group, since the matter is always racial. What say you? Saturday, September 19th 2009 at 2:08PM

Harry Watley const. contractor/ retired at self Hello Steve, I believe that what you are saying does not make any sense. If you agree with me that begging and protesting is inferior to begin with concerning all the problems Black Americans have always been having with White America how does action leads to the goal of superior through dialoguing for Black Americans? What say you? Saturday, September 19th 2009 at 2:14PM

Craig Amos Graphic Designer & Publisher at Amos & Grant Advertising Design Maybe I've been living under a rock most of my life. And fortunately for my son, so must he. We don't share this so-called mentality. Neither begging nor protesting is part of our existence; yet embracing education, hard work and high expectations of ourselves and others within our circle of influence are. Don't get me wrong, I understand the blog; but it offers no solutions because it only asks a rhetorical question. Saturday, September 19th 2009 at 2:20PM

Craig Amos Graphic Designer & Publisher at Amos & Grant Advertising Design And I guess it makes some people feel justified in the status-quo by spending so much time asking ''how did we get here'' instead of the better question, ''how do we get the hell out''. Saturday, September 19th 2009 at 2:23PM

Siebra Muhammad A Registration Clerk/Specialist at New Orleans Public Schools Harry, you really underestimate the thinking of some of the members and guest on this forum, you are in search of more sympathy. I have observed you rambling on and on lie after lie as though you have Nothing better To Do. You have truly fallen from grace. From Harry to Moron all the way down to a World Wide Web jackass. The following shows what you have been and are still doing. You attach yourself to an unsuspecting host that genuinely cares about you and your plights while you openly accept the freedom and use of their home. You send and receive private messages from other potential host on the net and recruit more unsuspecting compassionate ones that graciously give up their personal items to assist you in wrong thinking based on your stories of how Black Americans are nothing, have nothing, and will never amount to nothing. Example: A farmer sees a dying snake on the side of the road and because of the farmers love and respect for life, he picks it up and carries it home. He nourishes it back to health by supplying all its needs. One day the farmer is out tending to his farm and the snake bites him. The farmer asks why did you do such a thing and the snake replied, you knew I was a snake when you picked me up! If this is unfamiliar to you Harry then maybe you remember me doing a blog about the nature of a Doberman Pincher. They turn and bite the hand that feeds them. Being that you say these things you say about Black Americans on a daily base would make you a complete jackass on all 3 levels, Spiritual, Mental and Physical. What about the spider, are you familiar with its nature? Well they sit and wait on the WEB for a catch and then drain the life out of the catch leaving them an empty shell. In your case you attempt to drain them like a Vampire. You attempt to drain the life forces of others for your survival. When you see you are failing in your attempt to drain them you tell others how the victims are falling short of their purpose and deceiving you in the process. Always seeking and living off of the sympathy of others even to the point of you slithering so low as to use the youth as a tool. You know its bad when the youth (and a female at that) tell you that you are dead to them and mean it. You are truly accursed. So continue to do as you do, send private messages to your so-called sympathizers and trick them into supporting you now! As though you have been victimized once again. Proverbs Ch. 1, Verse 17 reads: How useless to spread a net in full view of all the birds! Proverbs Ch. 3, Verse 30 reads: Do not accuse a man (and this means woman too) for no reason when he/she has done you no harm (speaking of the BIA members & NOI members). Now to further set the record straight, I will answer your questions as to why I joined BIA. In the sayings of Minister Farrakhan it reads: "Don't withhold you good just because another withholds his good. You do your part." What does this really mean? The answer can be found in Proverbs Chapter 3: Verse 27 which reads as such: Do not withhold good from those who deserve it, when it is in your power to act. Key word: DESERVE. This is applying love with intelligence. This also means to do right for the right reason regardless of how satanic the individual is, this way either the person will conform to being right. Or they will have to leave the company of the righteous, which is what you did starting with the banning of you from the Muhammad NOI site, then coming to BIA and attempting to dish your ways of wrong into us. Question: Who is this saying referring to? This saying is referring to the ones who need a reminder of why one is to do right. In your case Harry, you do what appears to be right for selfish gain, praise, applauds and to manipulate the thinking of the unsuspecting supporters of right and good intentions for their support in your undetected motive and behavior. Question: What is meant by goods? Goods here are proper backing for what ever is needed. However, in your case Harry since proper backing requires an effort on your part, you are looking for improper backing. Improper meaning you have adopted ways and behaviors that is for the sole purpose of patronage. The full concept of sharing and operating as an active, loyal, dependable BIA family member in your case has to be learned and put into motion. That is the proper way to receive your Goods, active hands-on participation, not solely from the efforts of another. Question: Is it right for a husband or a significant other to withhold (his goods) taking care of his family, because he has something personal with the mother/female? It should never be personal; it should always be based on doing right for the right reason. I am the oldest of 2 children, I was born and raised in a family of four and we are well taken care of, our needs are met along with most of our wants and we operate as ONE. Perhaps you may want to read Minister Farrakhan's lecture entitled "Family". Again in your case Harry, you are falling from grace. Much like Lucifer and because of his fall, he has been taunting God to this very day. Question: Can a man really be justified in calling himself a man when he lacks the courage to take care of his responsibilities? No (see above answer) Question: Can you measure a mans love by what he is not doing for his family? The answer can be found in the lecture "The Blackwoman" By Minister Louis Farrakhan: It is a matter of record that President Barack Obama's father left his family when he was only 2 years of age. And even Minister Farrakhan's father left his family when he was a small child. The list goes on and on. However it shall stop here. Question: Can you measure a mans love for his family by his words alone? The answer can be found in "God Is Love" By Minister Louis Farrakhan: I urge all Original men to submit and lower yourself for the process of love so as to experience a full life in your living, being able to always bring something New to your experience of Living. And, remember Blackman, true love can only be experienced from developing a righteous Idea which can be translated or transferred to a loved one -- if deserving. Remember, The Message was to The Blackman, so let's be just that -- a Blackman that takes control of his affairs. Question: Will a father (to be) abandon his responsibilities toward the care of his unborn based on being personal toward the mother? NO. However in your case a Man would definitely be wise to have a DNA test done especially when the Man shares that he purposely did not inject sperm inside of the woman. Especially when you have a lust for abusive power and preying on the conscious of your own people. Oh by the way this was written only 1 day after the post on "LOVE OF SELF AND OTHERS" in which I discussed your condition. Question: Can one truly be real if they are not real to them self? No, we talked about this Harry thats why I shared with you that it was time that you started owning up and be accountable for your actions. It was also shared with you that you must see yourself in the idea. Ever heard of the NOI "Mirror Model" Classes? The things I shared with you was very familiar to you, so much so that you often said to me how much I reminded you of Minister Farrakhan. You would often repeat what I wrote, and I would tell you that even Satan can do that and your words has to be in harmony with your actions. Harry your ego and the other unsuspecting sypathatizers are only assisting you in a way that will only prolong your struggle. Question: How can a man say he loves a woman, yet is jealous to the point of being envious of her spiritual father (the very man they both came from)? Lets be REAL about it. Harry, it is Allah (spiritual father) that I am referring to. The NOI teaches us that God made man, and the man that he created was Black. Even the Bible itself states that God created Man in his own image. Now if God created man in his own image, and the NOI teaches you that the Blackman is the original man, doesn't that mean that God is a Blackman? I rest my case. I have much respect for Minister Farrakhan and by me being a lifelong member of the NOI, Allah has allowed me to see the Minister in a greater magnitude then ever before. So it is true that a God can make negative work for him, obtaining positive results. So much so that my goals was to assist you in facing yourself and for you to be accountable for your actions. However I finally realized that I was actually giving the negative in you Harry more tools to be craftier with. From what I have gathered from you is that you are indeed a liar. You lied on Me and you lied on Irma and others. The reason why it does not hurt me to see you tell lies on the others and myself is that you did it to Me first. And if anyone was jealous of your me it was you Satan. Just as you did in the Bible and in the Quran you had and have a problem with TRUTH (regardless of if the truth is coming from an NOI member or not). You could not JUST ACCEPT yourself being banned from the Muhammad NOI site; no you had to take a third or more with you, proven scripture to be correct. Question: If a husband/significant other puts his hands on his wife or allows anyone else (think over that) to put their hands on his wife for showing her love toward her spiritual father (Allah) is he the real one who is operating from real love? First of all face it Harry, YOU DONT LOVE THE TRUTH! The math shows that if you did love it as you say, you would have cleared up the lies you told and are telling on BIA members and the NOI. You would be APPLYING what we are both teaching! However it appears as though this was in the agreement that you and Satan made. Satan promised you something greater than what you left and you accepted and now you are holding up to the agreement you made with him as a Liar. So go against your contract you made with Satan for once and Tell the Truth. Question: What will it take for all fathers to be like The Heavenly Father (Allah) the essence of Love? The answer lies within 1st Corinthian Chapter 13: LOVE! Flattery and lies will get you nothing but more hell. Your motion is going in a downward spiral. Harry as a matter of fact this is the Minister shared in a lecture entitled: "Having to work with Liars". I leave on this note: no liars will be accepted in Heaven or The Hereafter. I strongly encourage you to Accept TRUTH, or if you don't like what Me, Irma, etc. are doing PLEASE LEAVE US ALONE. Saturday, September 19th 2009 at 2:37PM

Steve Williams None at None Hello Harry, I do not see how you could not make sense of what I said. Let's take the three cases: begging, protesting, and action. Someone comes up to me and tries to rob me. I can beg "please sir, don't do this". I can protest "how can you do this, it's not right!" Or I can fight, win or lose. Dialog is the means to join forces. Have I simplified it? Saturday, September 19th 2009 at 4:26PM

Harry Watley const. contractor/ retired at self Hello Mr. Amos, Of course, begging and protesting is a part of Black Americans who are descendents of slaves has been an essential part of our lives and existence. Apparently, you do not understand the ways Black Americans begs and protests. Since education and hard work impress you, I will use those two as an example of our begging and protesting for centuries. But first, let me make this clear to you. What defines a protester and a beggar is that a beggar and a protester do not have their own. They are not sovereign people. They do not have complete independence. They do not have their own country. Consequentially, all they could do is beg and protest. Black Americans through the NAACP have been begging White Americans before 1954 for an equal education. They won a landmark decision in 1955, Brown versus the Board of Education, I am sure you remember this landmark decision. However, the NAACP last year petitioned or shall we say still begging the Supreme Court about the failing education of Black Americans children. True education could only come to us when we become a sovereign people or have complete independence from White America on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. Education is nothing more than having the liberty to explore God’s creation and manipulate it to your advantage and what you find or discover you put it in textbooks to teach the following generation to improve upon. But, we as a race of people must have the propensity to learn. Is that not what White America has been doing since their existence? Are they not able to do this because they are sovereign people? Remember we are the ones subjugated and not White America. Now, let us deal with hard work. If you do not have your own, that is, if we are not a sovereign people then all the hard work we do must benefit our superiors, which is White America. For example, take the hard work that Dr. George Washington Carver done with the peanut. Neither he nor his people benefited from his hard work. It is irrational to think or expect that Dr. Carver and his race could have benefited from his hard work since Dr. Carver and all Black Americans are not sovereign people with a country of our own. Now, you have asked the most intelligent and rational question and that is, “''how do we get the hell out''. I am the way, and besides me, there is no other way for Black Americans. We must desire to become a sovereign people or have complete independence from White America on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity. I am Black America’s first genuine prophet. I say this because our situation is divine and I know all this because God inspires me constantly. It will take God’s anointed one and not anyone else to lead us into sovereignty. We as a people do not have the wherewithal to do for ourselves what we must have, and that is sovereignty. Consequentially, we must have an entity greater than White America is. Our sovereignty is going to happen. Our sovereignty is the only permanent solution to address any and all of our problems since slavery began to this present and day. What say you? Saturday, September 19th 2009 at 4:57PM

Harry Watley const. contractor/ retired at self Hello Steve, Steve since you are not Black it is difficult for you to understand the things I say. I said all that to say this, your understanding of what I meant about begging is entirely different in spirit and meaning from your example of bagging a robber not to rob you. In other words, what you see as begging is not what I see as begging when it comes to what Black Americans had to do, especially in slavery times. For instance, in the television series, ROOTS, I remember how Ms. Bell was begging Mr. Reynolds not to sell off her daughter, Kasey. This feeling is something you cannot feel because you are not Black. The spirit of this type of feeling could only be felt to its maximum within the race of all Black Americans who want descendents of slaves since it happened to us. This is the type of begging that I am talking about Steve. What say you? Saturday, September 19th 2009 at 5:15PM

Steve Williams None at None You do not have to beg to not have your daughter sold off anymore. So isn't today different than yesterday? Harry, in spite of all your words, you are stuck in the past. Saturday, September 19th 2009 at 6:09PM

Craig Amos Graphic Designer & Publisher at Amos & Grant Advertising Design Steve's not Black, hmm ... it's hard to tell w/that hat and salt'n pepper facial hair AND posting on BIA. Add to the fact that so many of us look like that pic and all. Harry -- try posting a better pic, bro. The big man upstairs should be allowing you knowledge of how to do such. Since we're supposed to e following you to our prison grounds -- ehhr, promised land -- we should know who we're following instead of a forehead alone. Saturday, September 19th 2009 at 6:52PM

Harry Watley const. contractor/ retired at self Hello Siebra, What I have been hammering home about Min. Farrakhan to you has not hit you yet. Min. Farrakhan neither advocates nor promotes the sovereignty of Black Americans. He cannot deal with these two items because he is not Black America’s first genuine prophet. I am the anointed one. God is inspiring and guiding only me, the chosen one. Because, Minister Farrakhan is not the chosen one is precisely the reason why he neither advocates nor promotes the sovereignty of Black Americans on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders. Likewise, Moses was the anointed one of the Hebrew people. No one else could do what Moses did, nor was guided by God to lead the Hebrew people out of bondage in Egypt. Consequentially, it did not matter what other Hebrew elders were preaching to the people. No one but Moses could advocate and promote the Exodus. So, it does not matter what Mr. Farrakhan is preaching, he could not secure the sovereignty of our people. Only I could. So, to support Mr. Farrakhan and not support me who is anointed by God to bring about our only permanent solution, which is sovereignty on a portion of this continent is irrational buy you all who are in front of everyone who will later come to know me and support me. But, I also understand that things must have a chance of gradually changing. In other words, I know that what I am telling you will take time to settle in your head. Right now because of your love for Mr. Farrakhan, you do not really want to hear what I am saying and for that reason, you accuse me of telling lies. But, you know that I am not lying. I am not against Mr. Farrakhan nor am I against any Black person or other Black leaders. Eventually, they will all come to follow me. We, as a people, are going to become sovereign or have complete independence from White America on practically the best part of this continent. White America will be hard pressed, but they will be happy to see us as a sovereign people, finally. Do you understand what I am saying? I do not think you really want to understand but I asked the question anyway. What say you? Saturday, September 19th 2009 at 8:20PM

Harry Watley const. contractor/ retired at self Hello Steve, I understand that we do not have to beg today not to have our daughters sold off. However, Steve our history is a part of us and it does not mean that I am living in the past. If I did not forgive you, and psychologically could not get past, the past, then I would be living in the past. I passionately want to move forward to our sovereignty. But, most importantly Steve, our experience of the past have led God to inspire me that sovereignty on a portion of this continent is our only permanent solution ever to be real people and not just to escape present-day racism by our White relatives. I care for White Americans as much as, if not more than Moses caring for the Egyptian people. Moses never wished any harm to the Egyptian people after he was anointed. So, I realized that today is different Steve. However, my ancestors still troubles me in a personal way, which has nothing to do with my cordial feelings for White American people. I cry when I see pictures of them hanging from trees. I really do not want to think about it as I am finishing this post to you. Again, I realized that today is different. What say you? Saturday, September 19th 2009 at 8:38PM

Harry Watley const. contractor/ retired at self Hello Steve, I understand that we do not have to beg today not to have our daughters sold off. However, Steve our history is a part of us and it does not mean that I am living in the past. If I did not forgive you, and psychologically could not get past, the past, then I would be living in the past. I passionately want to move forward to our sovereignty. But, most importantly Steve, our experience of the past have led God to inspire me that sovereignty on a portion of this continent is our only permanent solution ever to be real people and not just to escape present-day racism by our White relatives. I care for White Americans as much as, if not more than Moses caring for the Egyptian people. Moses never wished any harm to the Egyptian people after he was anointed. So, I realized that today is different Steve. However, my ancestors still troubles me in a personal way, which has nothing to do with my cordial feelings for White American people. I cry when I see pictures of them hanging from trees. I really do not want to think about it as I am finishing this post to you. Again, I realized that today is different. What say you? Saturday, September 19th 2009 at 8:38PM

Harry Watley const. contractor/ retired at self Hello Irma, You are too silly for an elderly woman dialoguing a serious topic. What I read from your silliness is how far I and we as a people has to go to become real people in this world among other real people. What say you? Saturday, September 19th 2009 at 8:46PM

Harry Watley const. contractor/ retired at self Hello Irma, You are too silly for an elderly woman dialoguing a serious topic. What I read from your silliness is how far I and we as a people has to go to become real people in this world among other real people. What say you? Saturday, September 19th 2009 at 8:52PM

Harry Watley const. contractor/ retired at self Hello Mr. Amos, To whine and complain about my picture tells me that your intelligence is exhausted, for the moment. When your brain catches a breath of two perhaps, you will say something more important than my picture. I am nothing, but the things I say about Black Americans are everything. What say you? Saturday, September 19th 2009 at 8:54PM

Harry Watley const. contractor/ retired at self Hello Mr. Weston, According to the biblical story of Moses, you are correct, that Moses did not enter into the Promised Land. Joshua took over and led the Hebrew people into the land of Canaan. Please understand Mr. Weston, although Black Americans plight very much closely resembles that of the Hebrew people it is not precisely the same as the Hebrew people. For example, the sovereignty of the Hebrew people was not within the country of Egypt while the sovereignty of Black Americans will change the present geography of White Americans 48 states. The principles, morals and divine justification for God’s intervention are precisely the same. However, it does not necessarily need to play out exactly the same way. Do you understand where I am coming from? The bottom line is that since Black Americans are a different people from White Americans we each need our own space to live and serve God. In other words, the permanent solution that God rendered to resolve the problems between the Hebrew people and the Egyptian people God have inspired me that the same will be for Black Americans. What should be of most concern to you Mr. Weston is to be excited about the challenges of being a united functioning people governing ourselves. Having diplomats in other countries as well as having foreign diplomats in our country. For instance, we have long been complaining about equal education to White America, but now we will have the responsibilities of our own educational system. We will have no one to complain to anymore, instead we will have the responsibilities of fixing what ever is wrong, since our slave mentality of whining and complaining to White American people about everything will entirely be gone from us. There will not be any need for the Nation of Islam, Rev. Al Sharpton, the NAACP and the Christian religion. Everything will be entirely new for us. For instance, White America believes that Jesus is God, I do not and it is my responsibility to introduce what God is to my people as it was Moses responsibility to bring his people back from their belief in the Egyptian gods. Mr. Louis Farrakhan believes that a Pakistani man is God and I certainly do not. I have enough common sense to know if I never had a personal experience with God that I have that no man could be God neither would God ever be a man. Now I would suppose you could imagine that the Hebrew people had similar problems in Egypt, especially the innocent and questionable killings of Hebrew youths by Egyptian soldiers as we have every day of some police department somewhere in the country killing our children. Do you get the picture I am painting? Nevertheless, do you not think it would be exciting that Black Americans who are descendents of slaves could now have their hands on the wheel of our own destiny? We are not going to fail even though we have a long way to go as far as a personal and mental reformation is concerned. What say you? Sunday, September 20th 2009 at 2:51AM

Harry Watley const. contractor/ retired at self Hello Ms. Irma, Questions that you have that needs clarity on the topic of sovereignty of Black Americans should be address to me since I am the one the concept originated. However, you could still praise Mr. Weston fault whenever good questions he presents to me. It is so ironic that what I am promoting and advocating as a permanent solution for Black Americans I would have Black Americans throwing stones at me. This behavior in itself should tell those who fight me are fighting against their own sovereignty and that something must be mentally wrong with you all. Of course, I know what is wrong, you all are coming from a slave mentality or a colonial mentality and do not know it. No prophet’s task was easy since all of them dealt with a destructive as well as an ignorant mentality. Please take no offense because that is just how it is. What say you? Sunday, September 20th 2009 at 3:12AM

Siebra Muhammad A Registration Clerk/Specialist at New Orleans Public Schools Harry, you are more crooked than Bobby Brown's mouth. You need to sit down and rest yourself. Sunday, September 20th 2009 at 2:42PM

Harry Watley const. contractor/ retired at self Hello Siebra, I think that your problem with me is more psychological and emotional than anything else. I believe that you like me and you know I mean our people well. You have definitively said to me that you believe sovereignty on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders is our only permanent solution. However, you still rock back and forth clinging to the old way of thinking of the Hon. Louis Farrakhan. You must let the old ways and ideas of the Hon. Elijah Mohammed and his student the Hon. Louis Farrakhan GO! They have done their work for their time and now it is my time to take us into sovereignty on a portion of this continent that we could call our very own country with borders to pursue life, liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way for ourselves since I am the anointed one. Is it not true that what I am saying is what we want and have always wanted? I am the way, and besides me, there is no other way for Black Americans ever to become a real people in this world among other real people. Tell me what you think. Sunday, September 20th 2009 at 7:27PM

Siebra Muhammad A Registration Clerk/Specialist at New Orleans Public Schools Continue going nowhere fast beloved and I will continue to pray for you after all you are our brother and I did consider you a friend at one time. Harry, if there is anything you are guilty of right now is trying to tear down your own people because you cannot make us into your personal Karma Sutra. You are doing the sovereignity thing for all of the wrong reasons, it's not about you having your cake and eating it too. Remember we are human beings with feelings, a mind, and much talents and deserve respect, so up your level of maturity and give us our space. Monday, September 21st 2009 at 12:04PM

Harry Watley const. contractor/ retired at self Hello Ms. Siebra, You said this, “Harry, if there is anything you are guilty of right now is trying to tear down your own people because you cannot make us into your personal Karma Sutra” Slavery and the old slave masters have taught our ancestors to be and have a suspicious and un-trusting relationship with each other. This type of personality is precisely what a slave mentality is, which was passed down to us. We have inherited this slave mentality of suspicion and distrust for each are and that is why we need God’s help otherwise we will never come together to be good contributors to humanity. White American, the old slave master has psychologically distorted us, which is detailed in the Willie Lynch letter. Your relationship towards me is very much indicative of this mentally damaged mind that the present day White people cannot reverse and that is why we are in much need of God’s help, since only God can help us now. I am the person by which God have begun to help Black Americans. I am Black America’s first genuine prophet. Let me show you an example of your psychological damaged mind. I am advocating and promoting the sovereignty of Black Americans as our only permanent solution. Sovereignty is a good thing for Black Americans. However, your understanding of me is negative since you say I am tearing down Black Americans. It is also disturbing that you would say I want to make Black Americans my personal Karma Sutra. The only explanation that you would see a negative out of a positive is because your mind is psychologically severely damaged. In short, you have a slave mentality. My presence among us is as an anti-dope to the slave mentality that Black Americans have. You should consider helping me promote and advocate the sovereignty of Black Americans among your brother Muslims and sisters. You should also try to reform your father. Tell me what you think. Monday, September 21st 2009 at 1:00PM

ROBINSON IRMA UC, Davis class of 1992 And, Steve there are the 'beggers' in the streets that earn $400.00, $600.00 a day with their hats and tins often if they are at the right spot at the right time of day/season of the year. Like Christmasmas, thanks giving,etc. But, then I am talking about the 21st cenury when more than a select few people have money, and all year round not just at harvest times.(smile) Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM

ROBINSON IRMA UC, Davis class of 1992 Thanks Mr. Weston, because ever since I learned about part of the state of N.C was going to be had, my mind has been on how it is going to take someone who was able to accomplish what Joshua was able to accomplish to get land. Even the Clintons when they went to Jacksonville during the campaing had to lie to the public that they were in that city...NO WAY....(smile) Thursday, April 10th 2014 at 6:47PM

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