I feel you 100% Mila...
This situation is one that only goes by that persons standards...
In my house I was raised to know my place....where as in Brett house it was different
At 13 I wasnt worried about being grown....I was trying to go outside and play.
I think this is just a case of wanting all of this "GROWN" ****TOO soon. Like I said i'd rather be easy...go through some things before I classify myself was GROWN.
I respect my momma..I've seen soooooooo many things and not to be mean to Brett cuz u kno we cool...but your world seems like ur living a fantasy to me...just by everything you say.
But yeah this isnt going anywhere sooo
See that's the thing... Some kids don't have the luxury of playing outside or having friends. They often have to grow up fast and take on "adult" responsiblities because of family circumstances. I think kids and teens have way too much on their backs and it's not fair to them.
Do you think Paris Hilton doesn't consider herself grown? Shes living off money set aside for her by her parents and grandparents. There are GROWN adults who still arent financially sound... 50-yr-olds living with their parents. If we had to wait til we were financially sound to be grown, we would have a world full of children.
****. Do you think Paris Hilton is grown?
How can someone possibly be grown if all they do is party every night. No job, no responsibilities at all except for her dog "Tinkerbell" :???: .
Just cause someone is a certain age doesn't mean their grown. And if you aren't fully independent or haven't gone thru things in life which have made you fully realize the responsibilities of a true adult. How can you actually be grown? Just cause I think I'm better than Michael Jordan still doesn't change the fact he could beat me 16-0.
And to go back to Paris Hilton, she'll prolly never grow up. She has no reason to. She's 23 and acts younger than the average 9th grader.
That what Im sayin. Just because she has money doesn't mean she's grown. But Im sure she considers herself grown. How much money you have does not determine that. Obviously you only read bits and pieces. Grown is your mentality.
Yeah i thought you were trying to say she was. But nah, I don't read bits and pieces. Look up at what I bolded. Just because I think I'm something doesn't mean I am. I can think I can beat Mike Tyson's ****, I can think I can outrun Maurice Greene, I can think I can fly. But is any of that gonna happen? No. But do I believe it? Yes. But that doesn't change the fact that just because I think something it's not real. Just like if a person thinks they're grown and actually believe it, it doesn't mean they actually are.
I think we all perceive "being grown" differently...
You all obviously think it means to be completely self-sustaining financially. While I see it as making your own choices, not being swayed by others, and knowing what you want to do in life... not having as much to do with your financial state, but more your mental state.
So by your standards I've been grown since I was 13... :???:
Come on now.. We gotta look at reality.
lol...yea thats pretty much my sentiments...cause if thats the case I can have a 12 year old girl tell me that her friends come to her for advice, she doesnt give into peer pressure, and she knows she wants to go to college one day, become a doctor, and raise a family ( basically have goals )...and I know PLENTY of girls and boys like that but that doesnt make them grown. They are still children...soley based on age and inexperiences. I understant the point Brett is making, but dont completely agree with it, because those standards you have can apply to I think to everyone from ages 10 + up who were raised with some standards in their households...and I dont mean that in a condescending way...cause I was just like that as a child. I always had goals ( i knew in kindergarten I was going to go to college ), my friends always came to me for advice, i didnt give into peer pressure, alotta my friends looked to me as an example, so on and so forth, but that didnt make me grown. Everyones perceptions of " grown " is different and thats fine and dandy...But aside from being financially able to support yourself like Tip said, and everything else Brett said, I think LIFE EXPERIENCES determines whether a person is grown or not...Experiences mold you and grow you...hence you start to become " grown " because you can speak and act out of wisdom and being able to kinda be like " been there, done that, and i know where this will lead " or " i seen this happen to too many people so I know where the situation is headed " etc...Too many people think they are grown and they just getting they feet wet, and think they know it all and ready for the world and they really aint. Im not saying this applies to anyone specifically, but if the shoe fits where it...but that is my perception of being grown...and based off just my perception I dont believe i am quote/unqote " GROWN " yet...cause there is still alotta growing I need to do, along with living and learning....and cause I know someone will say this...YES, we never stop growing and learning, but at a certain point in a persons life there comes a time when we have grown and learned so much we can classify ourselves as grown cause cause we in seen and been thru it all in a sense. And if the life experiences apply to someone who is 18, then I think they are grown...but you dont see too many 18 year olds going thru serious life experiences, unless they came from a broken family and percsevered thru it all, etc...I think most people wont reach this point in their life til there mid - later 20s, but like I said every person is different. So for me personally...I consider myself a LEGAL ADULT, but I dont consider myself GROWN yet. Hopefully, all that made sense. But hey to each his or her own.
That's exactly how I feel shawty. Some young folk gotta accept some big **** responsibilities early on and I think that makes them grown. If somebody was really grown tho, I don't think they'd have to argue about it because it ain't like they got anything to prove to anybody. And plus, it's not like it's a privilege anyway it's a burden, I'm not even really looking forward to being grown...
I hope yall don't think I been tryna prove shyt. I dont even know yall. And Im positive I won't ever meet you. Well yall might just see me on tv one day...lol :grin:
I thought we were talking about what makes someone grown?? Im arguing that you dont have to be financially secure to be grown.
Do you think Paris Hilton doesn't consider herself grown? Shes living off money set aside for her by her parents and grandparents. There are GROWN adults who still arent financially sound... 50-yr-olds living with their parents. If we had to wait til we were financially sound to be grown, we would have a world full of children.
****. Do you think Paris Hilton is grown?
How can someone possibly be grown if all they do is party every night. No job, no responsibilities at all except for her dog "Tinkerbell" :???: .
Just cause someone is a certain age doesn't mean their grown. And if you aren't fully independent or haven't gone thru things in life which have made you fully realize the responsibilities of a true adult. How can you actually be grown? Just cause I think I'm better than Michael Jordan still doesn't change the fact he could beat me 16-0.
And to go back to Paris Hilton, she'll prolly never grow up. She has no reason to. She's 23 and acts younger than the average 9th grader.
That what Im sayin. Just because she has money doesn't mean she's grown. But Im sure she considers herself grown. How much money you have does not determine that. Obviously you only read bits and pieces. Grown is your mentality.
Yeah i thought you were trying to say she was. But nah, I don't read bits and pieces. Look up at what I bolded. Just because I think I'm something doesn't mean I am. I can think I can beat Mike Tyson's ****, I can think I can outrun Maurice Greene, I can think I can fly. But is any of that gonna happen? No. But do I believe it? Yes. But that doesn't change the fact that just because I think something it's not real. Just like if a person thinks they're grown and actually believe it, it doesn't mean they actually are.
I think we all perceive "being grown" differently...
You all obviously think it means to be completely self-sustaining financially. While I see it as making your own choices, not being swayed by others, and knowing what you want to do in life... not having as much to do with your financial state, but more your mental state.
So by your standards I've been grown since I was 13... :???:
Come on now.. We gotta look at reality.
lol...yea thats pretty much my sentiments...cause if thats the case I can have a 12 year old girl tell me that her friends come to her for advice, she doesnt give into peer pressure, and she knows she wants to go to college one day, become a doctor, and raise a family ( basically have goals )...and I know PLENTY of girls and boys like that but that doesnt make them grown. They are still children...soley based on age and inexperiences. I understant the point Brett is making, but dont completely agree with it, because those standards you have can apply to I think to everyone from ages 10 + up who were raised with some standards in their households...and I dont mean that in a condescending way...cause I was just like that as a child. I always had goals ( i knew in kindergarten I was going to go to college ), my friends always came to me for advice, i didnt give into peer pressure, alotta my friends looked to me as an example, so on and so forth, but that didnt make me grown. Everyones perceptions of " grown " is different and thats fine and dandy...But aside from being financially able to support yourself like Tip said, and everything else Brett said, I think LIFE EXPERIENCES determines whether a person is grown or not...Experiences mold you and grow you...hence you start to become " grown " because you can speak and act out of wisdom and being able to kinda be like " been there, done that, and i know where this will lead " or " i seen this happen to too many people so I know where the situation is headed " etc...Too many people think they are grown and they just getting they feet wet, and think they know it all and ready for the world and they really aint. Im not saying this applies to anyone specifically, but if the shoe fits where it...but that is my perception of being grown...and based off just my perception I dont believe i am quote/unqote " GROWN " yet...cause there is still alotta growing I need to do, along with living and learning....and cause I know someone will say this...YES, we never stop growing and learning, but at a certain point in a persons life there comes a time when we have grown and learned so much we can classify ourselves as grown cause cause we in seen and been thru it all in a sense. And if the life experiences apply to someone who is 18, then I think they are grown...but you dont see too many 18 year olds going thru serious life experiences, unless they came from a broken family and percsevered thru it all, etc...I think most people wont reach this point in their life til there mid - later 20s, but like I said every person is different. So for me personally...I consider myself a LEGAL ADULT, but I dont consider myself GROWN yet. Hopefully, all that made sense. But hey to each his or her own.
That's exactly how I feel shawty. Some young folk gotta accept some big **** responsibilities early on and I think that makes them grown. If somebody was really grown tho, I don't think they'd have to argue about it because it ain't like they got anything to prove to anybody. And plus, it's not like it's a privilege anyway it's a burden, I'm not even really looking forward to being grown...
I hope yall don't think I been tryna prove shyt.
I do.... If you weren't it wouldn't even have went on this long for real.
[quote:402c2ab3cb="cafe-aulait"]Do you think Paris Hilton doesn't consider herself grown? Shes living off money set aside for her by her parents and grandparents. There are GROWN adults who still arent financially sound... 50-yr-olds living with their parents. If we had to wait til we were financially sound to be grown, we would have a world full of children.
****. Do you think Paris Hilton is grown?
How can someone possibly be grown if all they do is party every night. No job, no responsibilities at all except for her dog "Tinkerbell" :???: .
Just cause someone is a certain age doesn't mean their grown. And if you aren't fully independent or haven't gone thru things in life which have made you fully realize the responsibilities of a true adult. How can you actually be grown? Just cause I think I'm better than Michael Jordan still doesn't change the fact he could beat me 16-0.
And to go back to Paris Hilton, she'll prolly never grow up. She has no reason to. She's 23 and acts younger than the average 9th grader.
That what Im sayin. Just because she has money doesn't mean she's grown. But Im sure she considers herself grown. How much money you have does not determine that. Obviously you only read bits and pieces. Grown is your mentality.
Yeah i thought you were trying to say she was. But nah, I don't read bits and pieces. Look up at what I bolded. Just because I think I'm something doesn't mean I am. I can think I can beat Mike Tyson's ****, I can think I can outrun Maurice Greene, I can think I can fly. But is any of that gonna happen? No. But do I believe it? Yes. But that doesn't change the fact that just because I think something it's not real. Just like if a person thinks they're grown and actually believe it, it doesn't mean they actually are.
I think we all perceive "being grown" differently...
You all obviously think it means to be completely self-sustaining financially. While I see it as making your own choices, not being swayed by others, and knowing what you want to do in life... not having as much to do with your financial state, but more your mental state.
So by your standards I've been grown since I was 13... :???:
Come on now.. We gotta look at reality.
lol...yea thats pretty much my sentiments...cause if thats the case I can have a 12 year old girl tell me that her friends come to her for advice, she doesnt give into peer pressure, and she knows she wants to go to college one day, become a doctor, and raise a family ( basically have goals )...and I know PLENTY of girls and boys like that but that doesnt make them grown. They are still children...soley based on age and inexperiences. I understant the point Brett is making, but dont completely agree with it, because those standards you have can apply to I think to everyone from ages 10 + up who were raised with some standards in their households...and I dont mean that in a condescending way...cause I was just like that as a child. I always had goals ( i knew in kindergarten I was going to go to college ), my friends always came to me for advice, i didnt give into peer pressure, alotta my friends looked to me as an example, so on and so forth, but that didnt make me grown. Everyones perceptions of " grown " is different and thats fine and dandy...But aside from being financially able to support yourself like Tip said, and everything else Brett said, I think LIFE EXPERIENCES determines whether a person is grown or not...Experiences mold you and grow you...hence you start to become " grown " because you can speak and act out of wisdom and being able to kinda be like " been there, done that, and i know where this will lead " or " i seen this happen to too many people so I know where the situation is headed " etc...Too many people think they are grown and they just getting they feet wet, and think they know it all and ready for the world and they really aint. Im not saying this applies to anyone specifically, but if the shoe fits where it...but that is my perception of being grown...and based off just my perception I dont believe i am quote/unqote " GROWN " yet...cause there is still alotta growing I need to do, along with living and learning....and cause I know someone will say this...YES, we never stop growing and learning, but at a certain point in a persons life there comes a time when we have grown and learned so much we can classify ourselves as grown cause cause we in seen and been thru it all in a sense. And if the life experiences apply to someone who is 18, then I think they are grown...but you dont see too many 18 year olds going thru serious life experiences, unless they came from a broken family and percsevered thru it all, etc...I think most people wont reach this point in their life til there mid - later 20s, but like I said every person is different. So for me personally...I consider myself a LEGAL ADULT, but I dont consider myself GROWN yet. Hopefully, all that made sense. But hey to each his or her own.
That's exactly how I feel shawty. Some young folk gotta accept some big **** responsibilities early on and I think that makes them grown. If somebody was really grown tho, I don't think they'd have to argue about it because it ain't like they got anything to prove to anybody. And plus, it's not like it's a privilege anyway it's a burden, I'm not even really looking forward to being grown...
I hope yall don't think I been tryna prove shyt.
I do.... If you weren't it wouldn't even have went on this long for real.
HHmmmm is there really Sh*t else to do on this site anymore??
I enjoy a good debate. This was the only one I could find. Im a scorpio, and Im stubborn as hell. I can go on FOREVA with anything. :razz:
And the fact that none of my friends are home from school yet doesn't help anything :-( [/quote:402c2ab3cb]
Lol...
See that's the thing... Some kids don't have the luxury of playing outside or having friends. They often have to grow up fast and take on "adult" responsiblities because of family circumstances. I think kids and teens have way too much on their backs and it's not fair to them.
But the thing is...if you listen to her, her life wasnt like that where she had to choose. She said in her own words that SHE decided that she was grown.
You know I had a rough childhood...I saw things I wasnt suppose to see.
-My momma physically fighting with her boyfriends
-My dad on ****
-My unlce on ****
-Physical altercations between female
-Moving from one home to another every year
-Having to make new friends every other year
-Not having lights
-Not having heat
BUT throughout ALLL the ****I've seen in MY life...It didnt make me forget my place as CHILD. If anything it made me want to take life slowly. I'm a bit wiser then most people my age. I see ****for what it really is. Thats why I said Brett's world is a fantasy to me.
Brett wrote:
So b/c I am in love with someone, and can easily see myself starting a family with him in FIVE YEARS, Im livin in a fantasy..............
Okay! I guess I do live in a fantasy... WHATEVA... I can definitely accept that.... But I am definitely doin my thang in life right now!
Just because we have different views of life doesn't mean your way is right and mine is wrong. I can see where your coming from, yet you don't seem so open-minded.
If we all chose to live life the same way, we would all have to be the same people. Some of my best friends already have a child, and they are STILL in college pullin 3.0's and higher, and thats much more than some childless students can say.
Its not a fantasy; Its reality. Everyone will not be able to wait until they are 40 and financially secure to have kids and a family, and a GREAT percentage of Americans don't.
I don't think love has to do with anything we're talking about. I mean your in love...whoop-de-doo. I'm happy for you. I mean do you.
It's not that I'm not being "open-minded" its just that what ur saying to me seems totally ridiculous...just like when u said u'd get ur boyfriends date of meeting eachother tattoed on you....I mean....I dunno but thats what I mean off the wall shyt.
Obviously you see your ****your way. It was the way you were raised and I can't do anything about that. People have to go through things for themselves before they can see what your talking about.
From what I see...you havent been through anything. Life's been pretty good to you...and thats why you have the mentality that you do...and thats Why I feel you live in a fantasy.
Like I said you won't get ****through to me..and I'm not gonna get ****through to you. So yeah...
I do.... If you weren't it wouldn't even have went on this long for real.
HHmmmm is there really Sh*t else to do on this site anymore??
I enjoy a good debate. This was the only one I could find. Im a scorpio, and Im stubborn as hell. I can go on FOREVA with anything. :razz:
And the fact that none of my friends are home from school yet doesn't help anything :-(
Don't make excuses for why you've been going on for this defending your point.
If you want to defend your "being grown" then go right ahead. But wouldnt a grown person know when to stop?
Or is that just you acting out on ur stubborness as a scorpio?
Guess thats why i keep going to....being a Taurus we're known for being stubborn as hell.
Oh yeah those life experiances I listed was just to say that eventhough I've seen some FUCCKED up ****in my life...it didnt make me feel older then I really was...
Ight
If I was yall I would stop wasting my breath and go ask a grown person to define "being grown". That probaly would condense alot of what's being said. Because, not being grown, I'm sure some of us could tell the different between grown and not grown. But I mean I'm sure there are alot of things that we can discern, but now actually define and find the reason of why, what, and how.
good point tiph on some people having it "too good"...everything was provided for them and whatnot...but anyways, i come back and this topic has just morphed or something...well websters dictionary describes being grown as....---->>>>
How can someone possibly be grown if all they do is party every night. No job, no responsibilities at all except for her dog "Tinkerbell" :???: .
Just cause someone is a certain age doesn't mean their grown. And if you aren't fully independent or haven't gone thru things in life which have made you fully realize the responsibilities of a true adult. How can you actually be grown? Just cause I think I'm better than Michael Jordan still doesn't change the fact he could beat me 16-0.
And to go back to Paris Hilton, she'll prolly never grow up. She has no reason to. She's 23 and acts younger than the average 9th grader.
I enjoy a good debate. This was the only one I could find. Im a scorpio, and Im stubborn as hell. I can go on FOREVA with anything. :razz:
And the fact that none of my friends are home from school yet doesn't help anything :-( 
