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What do you all think about wives submitting themselves to their own husbands. Sometimes some people take the scripture in ephesians 5:22 out of context. A while ago after hearing Elder Johnny James comment on it I was enlightened ever more about the scripture. I already knew that the scripture was only referring to married women, of course, and that it was clarifying that wives need to submit to their OWN husbands. As I look up a verse I also see that we ought to submit ourselves one to another. So what I'm seeing is that we should each submit in our own way, in our roles in marriage. So with all that being said what do you all think about "submitting" to your husband when marriage arrives?
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Buttascotch · May 2005
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· May 2005
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BigDaddy Tres wrote:
Ladies I'll have to apologize for Demmeri, he really doesnt know any better. Oh, and about the men and women being two heads of a household... youre so old school. Alot of the translations of the text do point to what you speak of: Men being the head. However, A head means nothing without a body (the church) so it would be safe to say that they are equally important. Equally. But hey, keep arguing your point about male superiority in the bible, im sure some woman will be drooling over you by the time youre done. :lol:
You have that somewhat wrong. See the Bible says that the husband ought to love the wife as Christ loved the church. Christ was the head of the church as the soverign leader, not a lead member. The church is those who are servants of Christ, therefore they make up the head and the body. 1 corinthians 7 touches on the body.
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demmeri wrote:
and a woman is to respect her husband out of love...(the Bible never actually says "Woman, love your husband...")...a woman shows her love for her husband according to the Bible by repecting him and his leadership... ths husband was designed by God to lead...the question is what kind of leader is he?
First, i'd like to say that this is subjective. Just because you may not have seen the words " woman, love your husband", in the bible doesn't mean that she shouldn't love him. Secondly,i don't think you're in any position to attack someone elses beliefs. Everytime, these subjects come up you go on a rampage about **** and such. Why do you concern yourself that much with their lives? Why is feminist a problem for you? Do you feel threatened?[/color]
i think he is threatened, but anyway... i did make this topic before, and i dont feel like getting to deep into this. i dont know about the whole submitting thing. i dont feel that anybody should have control over me but God. yes i read the scriptures, but society has changed since those days. now until someone can explain to me why i should do otherwise, this is where i stand.
Not to get to deep in to this but you have to consider the fact that God arranged the Bible, and Him being the Almighty, and of course a God of all understanding why would he limit the Bible to a period of time? That would make him just a lil on the slow side. I think you have to actually read what the scripture is saying and see more than "women you have to submit to your husbands and let him do whatever". The Bible applies to all generations and it still does today. The only way we can tell is if we read it with understanding and study it. Eph. 5 says that man shall submit himself to his wife and vice versa. So we can't take that as being over one another cause that would be impossible for two people to be higher or, I guess, more powerful. A husband and wife should be in submission to each other within their own roles in the marriage. I really don't believe in that 50/50 stuff. Each person has a role their suposed to follow. A husband shouldn't be a daddy to his wife though. Submission in this case means provider, protector, leader. I would think thats attributes most women would want in a man anyway.
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ClassyWisdom08 · May 2005
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The roles have been covered or have they :???: ?? It seems to me that people get roles confused with how the house hold is ran. Usually, the woman cooks, cleans and all that domestic stuff. Basically, a ****. and the man ? ...Fixes stuff, i suppose. Is that truely what God had in mind when it comes to roles? I don't think so. Personally, i feel that it's up to the particular couple to decide. whatever works best for them may not work for other couples. Many, marriages these days don't take on the traditional "roles" that have been placed upon them by MAN. With that being said, i believe in 100/100 not 50/50.
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Wisdom_Tree · May 2005
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MissJazzyAKA wrote:
The roles have been covered or have they :???: ?? It seems to me that people get roles confused with how the house hold is ran. Usually, the woman cooks, cleans and all that domestic stuff. Basically, a ****. and the man ? ...Fixes stuff, i suppose. Is that truely what God had in mind when it comes to roles? I don't think so. Personally, i feel that it's up to the particular couple to decide. whatever works best for them may not work for other couples. Many, marriages these days don't take on the traditional "roles" that have been placed upon them by MAN. With that being said, i believe in 100/100 not 50/50.
What we're talking about isnt just a simple debate...its one of doctrine and principles. Conservative and Liberal churches, catholic and protestant. With that said, I personally believe that the bible is specific where it has to be and clear cut in others. 10 Commandments? Thats hands down the clearest testamonial to what you Gotta do. Marriages on the other hand... Notice I said marriages. I dont think the bible says "Thou shall not kiss and tell." probably because dating wasnt really spelt out in clear letters. Be faithful, be honest and all of that good stuff really goes for everyone, but as far as a household...my parents are the leaders of a marriage ministry and I remember when Donna talked about the submission verses in the bible with the women of the ministry (ones married, engaged or serious about a relationship). She said something to the effect of "completely love and commit yourself to your man just as you would to Jesus, though it doesnt make it easier because they both seem to be gone when you need em." When I asked about why she didnt talk about acts of submission she almost beat me down...alot of the texts of the bible were written in context of the time, an example would be of the triple sixes in Revelations. Our pastor talked about how there was an evil king or something like that in that time and the three sixes illuded to an evil, evil man. Also there are some scriptures in Acts that we dont follow for the simple fact of the day in age (and cultural differences being that we arent Jewish so we follow a different creed). So I believe the most correct approach to it is exactly what MissJazzy said. People get along differently so their relationship dynamics are going to be different. Adapt...(or not, *shrug*)
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The roles have been covered or have they :???: ?? It seems to me that people get roles confused with how the house hold is ran. Usually, the woman cooks, cleans and all that domestic stuff. Basically, a ****. and the man ? ...Fixes stuff, i suppose. Is that truely what God had in mind when it comes to roles? I don't think so. Personally, i feel that it's up to the particular couple to decide. whatever works best for them may not work for other couples. Many, marriages these days don't take on the traditional "roles" that have been placed upon them by MAN. With that being said, i believe in 100/100 not 50/50.
I feel the 100/100 cause both sides are supposed to put their all in and do all they can in the roles that they have in marriage. Like you and tres said, specifically, roles are different for different married couples.
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Hahaha · May 2005
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i'll be back to destroy you all later...right now i have to go to my 7.80 an hour job... but you all will be nuzzled with all of yall's lierbalism and distortions...half-truths...it seems to me yall don't understand what keeps a house in order or what makes a long term relationship work... tres, i STILL can't believe you with this two heads of household gimmick... i hope everyone has a lump in thier throat... daddy will be home at 8 and you all are gonna get it :???: 8-) (evy)
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Hahaha · May 2005
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demmeri wrote:
i'll be back to destroy you all later...right now i have to go to my 7.80 an hour job... but you all will be nuzzled with all of yall's lierbalism and distortions...half-truths...it seems to me yall don't understand what keeps a house in order or what makes a long term relationship work... tres, i STILL can't believe you with this two heads of household gimmick... i hope everyone has a lump in thier throat... daddy will be home at 8 and you all are gonna get it :???: 8-) (evy)
o yeah... i'm acatually gonna take my time on this one...be prepared for big words... :???: 8-) (evy)
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keke123 · May 2005
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LeDbYFIRE wrote:
What do you all think about wives submitting themselves to their own husbands. Sometimes some people take the scripture in ephesians 5:22 out of context. A while ago after hearing Elder Johnny James comment on it I was enlightened ever more about the scripture. I already knew that the scripture was only referring to married women, of course, and that it was clarifying that wives need to submit to their OWN husbands. As I look up a verse I also see that we ought to submit ourselves one to another. So what I'm seeing is that we should each submit in our own way, in our roles in marriage. So with all that being said what do you all think about "submitting" to your husband when marriage arrives?
I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS COMPLETLY, BUT I THINK A MARRIAGE SHOULD BE 50/50 THE WOMAN SHOULD BE SUBMISSIVE TO THE MAN AND VISE VERSA NO QUESTIONS ASKED
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MidWestGentleman · May 2005
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MissJazzyAKA wrote:
The roles have been covered or have they :???: ?? It seems to me that people get roles confused with how the house hold is ran. Usually, the woman cooks, cleans and all that domestic stuff. Basically, a ****. and the man ? ...Fixes stuff, i suppose. Is that truely what God had in mind when it comes to roles? I don't think so. Personally, i feel that it's up to the particular couple to decide. whatever works best for them may not work for other couples. Many, marriages these days don't take on the traditional "roles" that have been placed upon them by MAN. With that being said, i believe in 100/100 not 50/50.
i completely agree...wow i dont have to argue with you :-D
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keke123 wrote:
LeDbYFIRE wrote:
What do you all think about wives submitting themselves to their own husbands. Sometimes some people take the scripture in ephesians 5:22 out of context. A while ago after hearing Elder Johnny James comment on it I was enlightened ever more about the scripture. I already knew that the scripture was only referring to married women, of course, and that it was clarifying that wives need to submit to their OWN husbands. As I look up a verse I also see that we ought to submit ourselves one to another. So what I'm seeing is that we should each submit in our own way, in our roles in marriage. So with all that being said what do you all think about "submitting" to your husband when marriage arrives?
I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS COMPLETLY, BUT I THINK A MARRIAGE SHOULD BE 50/50 THE WOMAN SHOULD BE SUBMISSIVE TO THE MAN AND VISE VERSA NO QUESTIONS ASKED
Yea that's exactly what I was sayin, except like somebody said before, it's more like 100/100 rather than 50/50.
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