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What were your reactions to the All American Debate put on at HBCU Howard Uni.?? Posted on 06-29-2007

SassySammy
BX, NY
Democratic Hopefuls Explore Issues of Concern to Blacks at All-American Presidential Forum Some questions to throw around: How did each canidate stack up? What would you have liked to see answered more in depth? What remarks were shocking? Overall how did it go? Give feedback and lets discuss this monumental night and the issues that were raised!
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C Nels replied on 06-29-2007 05:40AM [Reply]
I didn't catch it last night but I'm sure they'll show it again. I didn't remember until I heard clips this morning on the radio. What were your reactions to it?
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SassySammy from BX, NY replied on 06-29-2007 06:36AM [Reply]

I think the three front runner are still the top 3 fron runners. Obama, Clinton, and John. However I did realize why the other canidates were there and running. They are simply there to push their issues and get the front runners to produce legislation in order to address their issues. The topics addressed were all good and i probably view it two more times to catch things i may have missed before . However the issue I payed mose attention to was poverty and education I don't know it anyone knows it but the Supreme court voted against using race as a determing factor of where a child should go to school. which means the problem of resegregation is just going to get worse. Now concerning this i did agree with Obama and the canidates that said it needs to start from birth unversial free kindergarden. especially Obama's comment about Bush's No child left behind act. He said that he is leaving the money for the schools behind. Now on to poverty, i am a democrat however I am opposed to giving people welfare. I believe welfare should only be given in extreme cases. Because African Americans as a are people have become to got dog on LAZY. We want to live off welfare, sit on couch , stand on corner and have this blind backwardz sentimient of life that the world owes us something. Like for example i am a recent HS grad working in the SEN. of SC office. I am the only African American in my office. I might not agree with his views but he granted me a internship as a reward for repersenting my state in a National Poetry competition however that is another matter. What I am trying to say is that I am from the South BX one of the poorest areas of BX but I am not leting that define me. Everyone can get out of there predictament because help is out there. tavis, Tom Joyner, Jesse Jackson, Obama, rev. Al Sharpton have so many outreach programs if we would take the iniciatives a hand or leg up is right there. Welfare is not the solution I will not reward anyone for sitting on they **** no matter if they are my people or not! Just go with me here by age 12 wealthy white people make there kids FIND A JOB so they can learn about investing, finances, African Americans don't have much and can't budget much because we are not well versed in economics. Condi (Condeleeza Rice) for example I ain't even mad at her . . . . . . . . .know why. . . . . . she made it ina white man's world she didn't sell out to her people she learned how to play the game I now understand her because I'm n her position as I stated before I don't agree with the stance the Sen. may take on things but he is my boss my vote will echo different'y and that's what really counts anyway! Another issue Blk ppl who give 10 percent to churchs are nuts. Now I am a Christian baptized and very active in my church and congress but I also read and research the biblical text for my self if you read the text concerning tithing you realize that Abraham was giving the money back to the king because he did not want the king to be able to say that the money andwealthcame from him instead of God Pastors take it out of context and do not explain this to ppl. The other verse about "Will a man rob god?" that whole chapter is refering to the preist and once again pastors take this out of context. The whiteman since slavery interpreted the bible to us and told us what they wanted us to believe and sadly this is still going on because it has been ingrained in out culture for so long. However back to the topic blk ppl will give and actual 10 percent. what verse in the bible do you know of that tells you to hand your taxes over to the church so they can take 10 percent of what your earn. What do you think is happening in the Mega churches? Helicopter pad on top of the church guards that come for the money then leave right after offering this is crazy but Blk ppl allow it to happen for the sake of religion. I say all that to say that poverty is escapeable and reversable but that stand and revolution MUST BEGIN WITH US!!!
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rkfl2004 from Brooklyn, NY replied on 06-29-2007 02:11PM [Reply]
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rkfl2004 from Brooklyn, NY replied on 06-29-2007 02:55PM [Reply]
SassySammy wrote:
I think the three front runner are still the top 3 fron runners. Obama, Clinton, and John. However I did realize why the other canidates were there and running. They are simply there to push their issues and get the front runners to produce legislation in order to address their issues. The topics addressed were all good and i probably view it two more times to catch things i may have missed before . However the issue I payed mose attention to was poverty and education I don't know it anyone knows it but the Supreme court voted against using race as a determing factor of where a child should go to school. which means the problem of resegregation is just going to get worse. Now concerning this i did agree with Obama and the canidates that said it needs to start from birth unversial free kindergarden. especially Obama's comment about Bush's No child left behind act. He said that he is leaving the money for the schools behind. Now on to poverty, i am a democrat however I am opposed to giving people welfare. I believe welfare should only be given in extreme cases. Because African Americans as a are people have become to got dog on LAZY. We want to live off welfare, sit on couch , stand on corner and have this blind backwardz sentimient of life that the world owes us something. Like for example i am a recent HS grad working in the SEN. of SC office. I am the only African American in my office. I might not agree with his views but he granted me a internship as a reward for repersenting my state in a National Poetry competition however that is another matter. What I am trying to say is that I am from the South BX one of the poorest areas of BX but I am not leting that define me. Everyone can get out of there predictament because help is out there. tavis, Tom Joyner, Jesse Jackson, Obama, rev. Al Sharpton have so many outreach programs if we would take the iniciatives a hand or leg up is right there. Welfare is not the solution I will not reward anyone for sitting on they **** no matter if they are my people or not! Just go with me here by age 12 wealthy white people make there kids FIND A JOB so they can learn about investing, finances, African Americans don't have much and can't budget much because we are not well versed in economics. Condi (Condeleeza Rice) for example I ain't even mad at her . . . . . . . . .know why. . . . . . she made it ina white man's world she didn't sell out to her people she learned how to play the game I now understand her because I'm n her position as I stated before I don't agree with the stance the Sen. may take on things but he is my boss my vote will echo different'y and that's what really counts anyway! Another issue Blk ppl who give 10 percent to churchs are nuts. Now I am a Christian baptized and very active in my church and congress but I also read and research the biblical text for my self if you read the text concerning tithing you realize that Abraham was giving the money back to the king because he did not want the king to be able to say that the money andwealthcame from him instead of God Pastors take it out of context and do not explain this to ppl. The other verse about "Will a man rob god?" that whole chapter is refering to the preist and once again pastors take this out of context. The whiteman since slavery interpreted the bible to us and told us what they wanted us to believe and sadly this is still going on because it has been ingrained in out culture for so long. However back to the topic blk ppl will give and actual 10 percent. what verse in the bible do you know of that tells you to hand your taxes over to the church so they can take 10 percent of what your earn. What do you think is happening in the Mega churches? Helicopter pad on top of the church guards that come for the money then leave right after offering this is crazy but Blk ppl allow it to happen for the sake of religion. I say all that to say that poverty is escapeable and reversable but that stand and revolution MUST BEGIN WITH US!!!
I don't even know where to begin with this wholly innacurate and steretype ridden post- SO i guess I'll start here, when you talked about welfare, you stated that African Americans have become LAZY, as if African Americans are the only recipients or even the majority of recipients for welfare. Well that is EXTREMELY INNACURATE and if you had taken the time to google "statistics of blacks on welfare" you would see just how innacurate it was. Furthermore, who exactly is the "We" you talk about who want to "sit on the couch" or "stand on the corner". So convenient of you to completely disregard the thousands, possibly millions who use welfare as a stepping stone and not as a permanent crutch. There is nothing wrong, or shameful in taking advantage of an opportunity and using it to better yourself. Also I'd like to know what statistics you used to come to the conclusion that by the age of 12 most white children are working. I go to Brooklyn Techncial High School which has a large white population and just by looking at that small sample of white students I know that you're wrong, so I'm sure if you actually did some research (the usual precursor to making bold offensive assertions) you'd come to realize that statement was simply another one of your ridiculous stereotypes. And your characterization of Condoleeza Rice fails to mention a few key facts. Sure she deserves a pat on the back (and nothing more) for making it in a white man's world, but you have to put her success in persepective. She didn't grow up dirt poor. In fact, she had a fairly priveleged life replete with ballet and piano lessons and doting, well educated parents. That wasn't excatly the typical experience of many other black girls during her time. So while her accomplishments may be great so too was her advantage; I'll save my props for those who really had to struggle for their achievements. And she hasn't sold out? Of course not... because she stood up so passionately for her brothers and sisters in New Orleans? And she condemned the President whose actions were so obviously rascist and callous. PLEASE...The only person she didn't sell out to was her boss. Lastly you said "black people who give 10 percent to churches are nuts" REALLY NOW???? Since your sooooo "very active" in your church I'm sure you've read 2 Corinthians 9:6 which says Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. So while I agree that you aren't necessarily obligated to give that 10%, those who can and do aren't nuts. They're making a bold statement that they trust God and have no problem putting him in control of their finances. Doesn't sound like craziness to me...sounds a little more like faith.
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aamuboi23zz from birmingham, AL replied on 06-30-2007 02:46PM [Reply]
Sammy I Hear You But I Have To Say Rkfl2004 Is Right. When She Put God In This I Had No Choice But To Agree. I Have So Many Blessing In My Life That Sometimes I Have Not The Room To Recieve Them Financailly, Spiritually, And Eamotinally And I Am Thankfull For Them. I Put God In Control Of Not Only My Financial Situation But Every Situation And Everytime I Am Blessed. "so I Can Tell The World That I Am Blessed". Both Of You Have Good Points But Instead Of Trying To Critic Them Try To Understand Them And Let Talk About What Can Be Done To Change For The Better.
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SassySammy from BX, NY replied on 07-01-2007 11:50AM [Reply]

As a response I would like to state the following: 1. When talking about welfare I am talking about the population disreguarding race that wants to use it as a cruth instead of leg up. For example ppl living on section 8 with big screen tv's drawing unemployment when they arent actively searching for a job. I understand full and well that others use it as an aid and that's fine you have to make ends meet somehow. Hell if I were in that position I am not to proud to accept anything however I will work my **** off and depend on no one but myself for what I have or to get what I lack. 2. About cacajuns and there finnaces I lived and recieved my school straight out the south bronx. at the schools I attended the racial make up was predominatly African American and Latinos. However when I moved to SC my school that I attended there was a whole mix of different culture and ethtic races. Despite this caucajuns still had a greater precentage. Anyway while here my school and class did carry out survey and research on this topic so that's where i was drawing my conclusions from. Our school or Gov/Economics class came to the conclusions that since the 1920's the investors/ owners of major stock of the market have belonged to or were bought by caucajuns. Also that at younger ages they were being exposed to the interworkings of day trading business outlooks what have you. References we had was a wall street stocksman from Johnson and Johnson, USA Today, teachers whom held stock, teachers who went into business for themselves at a young age gained stock, sold it and now are collecting money whenever there product is sold, repersenatives from Mitubishi and a whole host of ppl so I not just comming out my **** when I formulate these conclusions. 3. I picked Condelezza because ppl would tend to trash her (BEt Mtv, politically fueled talk shows) saying she sold out. But just by participating in a debate with one of my fellow collegues I was opened up to a new view of her. Personally I don't revere her I just merely used her as an example. 4. religion is a topic that has started wars and as a current example kept them going for centuries upon centuries. Because I have done extensive research on Biblical Studies (Sr. Thesis of which I earned honors ) (and for clarification its like a college level disertation, presentation, and oral defense you start you jr. yr in highschool and finish toward the end of your Sr. yr in highschool.) Anyway I have taken these text and have looked at them not from a believers pt. of view but from a historic pt of view basically palcing the actually events within a certain time line. It took me a while to get past years of pastors feeding me what they want me to believe or there take on sa specific area to actually read it in these context and understand it for myself. To give you an idea of the type of research I did I'll elaborate a little first as most of us know the text that are in the bible are called the cannonized text which means these are the only text the rulers and the leaders of the church at the time so fit to place in the bible the other non cannonized text where called heritical hence they were "banned from the bible" (quotations name of a series on history channl if you want to follow up on it) anyway the ppl whom wrote them called them Knostic gospels greek knosis which means Knowledge. In my research I read and understood the bible cannonized text and uncannonized text in the original language hebrew. In hebrew the message that most of the bible conveys is very different fro the english version for example "lord" when used in the bible KJV refers to an actual lord within the hierarchy of the english fedual system ex. King, queen, royals, lords, falconer, priest, peasant and so forth. the acutual hebrew word used I believe as "elohiem" which means gods. Therefore as a result the first line of the bible " In the begining god created the heavens and the earth" actuall translation in the original text reads "In the begining the gods created the heaven and the earth" see ppl fail to realize that the first 5 books of the bible are known to jews as the torah "law books" all it was, was a guideline for how the jews were supposed to act kind of like the 10 commandements now in the new testament jesus states that "I cam to fulfill the law not to destroy it" the law he was reffering to was that stated by the phophets in the old testament. Believe me at first it all throw you for a loop but if you allow yourself to delve into the research and respect the text it is very very very enlightening. But I say all that to say that to state that I am not against titheing however I am cautioning the faithful to beware of corrupt churchs who are only after their money. Taking advantage of those whom want to give to uplift.
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SassySammy from BX, NY replied on 07-06-2007 01:34AM [Reply]

If you missed it Tavis Smiley . Special Feature . All-American Presidential Forums . Video | PBS has the All American Presidential Forum vid plz look at it , analyze it, whether or not our future brightens depends on how involved in it we are as a ppl (just an opinion)
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